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The Pledge Of Allegiance

by netsky / October 25, 2004 1:58 PM PDT

Class, I am Miss Jones. We have here in our class room this month, new students visting from North Dakota.

We live in Hartford. This is the year 1937. You come from very far away. But this is still the United States oF America for all of us.

Let us recite our Pledge of Allegiance.

"I pledge allegiance
to the flag...wait!"

DO you visiting children know the words? Yes? Good!

Then don't you know how to recite the Pledge properly?

...OH no, not like that, dear children. Must I explain our way to you on this matter, too? How different you farming folks are from we of the founding colonies.

---question to forum: WHAT is the hypothetical Miss Jones talking about???

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Miss. Jones was telling the children...
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / October 25, 2004 5:45 PM PDT to pledge allegiance to the Republicans.

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"No, dear child"
by netsky / October 25, 2004 9:07 PM PDT

this Miss Jones is not Republican. Like most of her kind, she is a firm supporter of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

"Why, only last year a little boy peculiarly named Judge Welch (his nick name thru life; sober as a "judge") was in this room saying BAD THINGS about our president. DO YOU KNOW, dear children what happened to young Mr. Welch? I'll tell you:

Governmnent Men, "G" men they are sometimes named, rang his parents' doorbell one evening at suppertime.

Many embarassing questions were asked of the parents.

THAT is how our nation -prevents- subversives and anarchists and others worse from gaining too much a foothold in our Great Nation.

Now, missy C from Canada, please take this special chair by my desk. Yes, sit -there-, young lady. You are teacher's Pet today. You and I will show our visiting friends how we properly recite our great National pledge of Unity.

First though, need I to remind NETSKY =again= to stop that talking to Becky in class???

(netsky lol'ing, mixing all his friends and eras into one semi-realistic classroom of 1937 New England)

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?. Miss. Jones?Mr. RW?, help me understand?
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / October 25, 2004 11:08 PM PDT
In reply to: "No, dear child"

?few things?

"Look at Becky and Beckor, they're making a face at me once again.", says little cl.

"Don't worry my child, a face is just a face. " Say, "cheese" and smile. You appear to have a question. ", Miss. Jones (now a septuagenarian) continued.

"Yes Miss. Jones. I do have a question. Why is this not in my textbook? It disturbs me. Can you or anyone in the class shed some light (addressing the much older crowd --- the real oldies please stand up)?

"Mr. RW (netsky remains back to netsky), can you take me home after school? I am worried that the other racist kids (those who got reprimanded) will follow me home", begs cl.
Oh! good Golly! I'm tardy again...Be back later?a long day recess at work.

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My goodness-THIS is an interesting link, CL
by netsky / October 26, 2004 1:37 AM PDT

From your discovery site, his "quick scary overview" subheading:

"...The pledge of allegiance was authored by the self-proclaimed socialist Francis Bellamy. Bellamy was the first cousin of the socialist Edward Bellamy. Edward Bellamy's futuristic novel, "Looking Backward," was published in 1888, and described life in the year 2000. It described a totalitarian society where all private transactions are outlawed, where the government places all men in an "industrial army" and where the monolithic government school system is operated specifically as part of the "industrial army" system. Of course, all of the preceding was portrayed as a dandy utopia just as it was portrayed by so many apologists for the industrial armies of socialist hell-holes worldwide.

The book spawned a socialist movement in the U.S. known as "Nationalism," with the Nationalist magazine, and "Nationalist Clubs" whose members wanted the federal government to nationalize most of the American economy. Francis Bellamy was a member of this movement and a vice president of its socialist auxiliary group.....


I find it all interesting and it reads well- more balanced appearing at full read than first glance.

Sheeeezam, Miss CL. You are some kinda American. Thanks

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this too- all inside the Rex pages
by netsky / October 26, 2004 1:57 AM PDT

Bellamy refers to Native-Americans as "savages" because Bellamy was another bigot socialist. As editor of the magazine "The Illustrated American," he wrote editorials denouncing southern European immigrants. "A democracy like ours cannot afford to throw itself open to the world," he wrote in 1897. "Where every man is a lawmaker, every dull-witted or fanatical immigrant admitted to our citizenship is a bane to the commonwealth. Where all classes of society merge insensibly into one another every alien immigrant of inferior race may bring corruption to the stock." see

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Ok and enough of this- but how interesting for ALL sides
by netsky / October 26, 2004 2:05 AM PDT

In 1892, Francis Bellamy wrote the pledge of allegiance and created its original salute, and lived to see a similar straight-arm salute used by the National Socialist German Workers? Party. Bellamy was born in 1855 and died in 1931. The National Socialist German Workers? Party had been in existence since 1920 (with electoral breakthroughs in 1930 and dictatorship in 1933).

Bellamy was a member of the "Nationalism" movement and a vice president of its socialist auxiliary group, whose members wanted the federal government to nationalize most of the American economy. Bellamy saw government schools as a means to his socialist "Nationalism." Bellamy lived long enough to see a similar salute and a similar philosophy espoused by the National Socialist German Workers? Party. Did Bellamy ever comment pro or con on the National Socialist German Workers' Party?s philosophy and salute?
does not know. Yet.

Bellamy proposed his pledge and salute in an article about a Columbus Day celebration he wrote for the ?Youth?s Companion? magazine. The end of the article states ?Photographs both of the salute to the Flag and of some aspect of the Review would be prized local momentoes. One of these photographs, as well as the account of the Celebration clipped from the local paper, would also be appreciated in the office of the Chairman of the Executive Committee." (With Francis Bellamy listed as the Chairman of the Executive Committee). Historical sources suggest that the celebration was widespread and that Bellamy may have received a trunkful of photos of children in government schools reciting the socialist pledge and giving his straight-arm salute to the U.S. flag.

According to R. J. Rummel's article in the Encyclopedia of Genocide (1999) the top three most murderous regimes were: (1) the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 62 million deaths, 1917-'87; (2) People's Republic of China, 35 million, 1949-'87; (3) Germany under the National Socialist German Workers? Party, 21 million, 1933-'45;

Francis Bellamy lived in the U.S. during the first 14 years of mass atrocities and socialist disasters in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It is possible that Francis Bellamy was not aware of the horrific realities of his socialist ideas in the U.S.S.R. at that time.

Near the end of Bellamy?s life, as the monstrous National Socialist German Workers? Party grew, but had not yet attained dictatorship, Bellamy's collection of 1892 photos would have suddenly taken on a disturbing appearance. Bellamy may have barely missed that time when the photos changed from ?prized local momentoes? to embarrassing oddities that are suppressed by the media and by government schools today. Some of those photos are available at It is the only place on the internet that collects and publishes them.

Was Bellamy, like so many supporters of the socialist trio of atrocities (, looking forward to the National Socialist German Workers' Party and his own socialist philsophy of "nationalism" and his straight-arm salute? Or was Bellamy looking Backward?

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Re: The Pledge Of Allegiance
by C1ay / October 25, 2004 10:20 PM PDT

The use of the Roman salute, ie straight arm salute Nazi style, that the Pledge started with...

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Yes to both Clay and to CL
by netsky / October 26, 2004 1:20 AM PDT

As related to me by one who possesses living memory of the old Pledge:

hand over heart:

I pledge allegiance

now, in a smooth sweep from heart to full, palm-down extension of the arm, in the direction of the classroom flag in the right hand front corner of the room, within the next three words:

To - the - Flag

Hold this arm salute for the remainder of the Pledge


CL presents an interesting, Libertarian-sponsored web page. I'll want to go study that in depth- it's new to me.

I had in mind only this moderate-toned page.

There are other interesting aspects to Pledge history, such as its mutilation by adding "one nation, under god" in that McCarthy year of my own birth, 1954. But that's for some other reply or thread or day than this...

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