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The perfect netbook, MID, etc...

Dec 4, 2008 12:56AM PST

The perfect netbook, MID, etc...

so, I'm looking around at the gadgets I own and, more importantly, how I use them.
After some thought, I'd like to replace my Nokia N800 and old iPod with a small-ish netbook that ideally has the following:

Gotta have:
Something about the size of a 7" netbook, Kindle, Sony e-reader, small-ish (5"x8") sized journal...
Flip open form w/twist for touch-scree tablet conversion
Fast Wi-Fi
Bluetooth w/stereo A2DP
Integrated speakers
Video/audio out
Podcast catcher
2 USB 2.0/3.0 or 1 USB and an SD card reader
32GB SSD
1-2GB RAM
decent speed processor
Alarm clock
GPS integrated or capable
integrated webcam
6hr battery life
Internet browsing
RSS feeder
Flash friendly
multimedia player (wide variety of audio, video, still image/photo formats)
journaling/sketch type program


Nice to have:
FM/AM and Internet Radio
Dual screen for a touch keyboard/large touch-pad (like Nintendo DS)
Can play iTunes friendly format video (Quicktime, h.264, etc.)

I think the Eee PC was hacked to be touch screen. hmmm...I wonder if it can be hacked for Video/Audio out...

Anyone else have this issue? what's your "perfect" device?

Best,
Shalin

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interesting
Dec 4, 2008 4:36AM PST

Some of your points I'd like in my perfect netbook, but I believe "connectablity" is the biggest factor for something you want to take all over. It should have wifi, wimax, lte, 3g, cell, etc... Battery life is also key. Also why do netbooks have to use their own crappy version of linux? Ubuntu, fedora, etc.. are fine by themselves.

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I've given up on perfect devices.
Dec 4, 2008 1:57PM PST

They just don't exist. The more stuff you cram into a device the worse it does each of those tasks. Jack of all trades, master of none.

I'd rather have more devices that do fewer things really well than just one device that just does all of those things just OK.

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right, but that's the thing - I'm looking for a bunch-in-one
Dec 4, 2008 9:33PM PST

right, but that's the thing - I'm looking for a bunch-in-one instead of an all-in-one. I like having a dedicated phone...although if the 4GB, $99, iPhone comes out I think I'll get it.

But, I do understand what you mean. I just think that small netbook could be the ticket for me...

Best,
Shalin

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I understand.
Dec 4, 2008 10:32PM PST

I dream about a bigger form factor iPod Touch with 3G cellular data, (don't care about the phone) wifi, turn by turn GPS. a 6 or 7" screen and a 256GB flash drive that does flash and silverlight(for internet streaming like Netflix and Hulu). It would be an awfully good internet/entertainment device.

I'm sure Apple will never make this exact device or if they do it will be missing several of the items listed above. But the UI will no doubt be fantastic. Some third party may make a device that has almost all those features but it will be saddled with some crappy UI.

It seems you can't have it both ways. You either get a device that goes deep or a device that goes wide. But rarely do you seem to get both.

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Not true
Dec 5, 2008 11:23AM PST

Jack of all trades tend to do the job with less parts and a more consistant user interface. Ease of use and efficency are damn valuable attributes. There are devices that nail it.
The personal computer, iPhone. It's just harder to engineer, but multfunction is the way to do a gadget.

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The iPhone is no jack of all trades.
Dec 5, 2008 11:37PM PST

The list of functions its missing is quite long. It's crappy camera is a perfect example of its lack of mastery (but then again so are all cell phone cameras. No matter how many megapixels they cram into them a tiny cheap lens with a itty bitty sensor is never going to take the kind of pictures a standalone camera can take.)

The reason the iPhone is so popular is that it does a fews things so well that the rest of its shortcomings fall to the wayside. In fact the same can be said about most Apple stuff. They go deep at the expense of breadth. Its always a tradeoff. And I will choose quality over quantity every time but that doesn't mean I think Apple makes perfect products.

The personal computer may be a jack of all trades but it hardly does all things to perfection. And when I speak of devices I am thinking of smaller "convergence devices" that try to cram a lot of functions into a tint bit of space.

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Well
Dec 6, 2008 11:18AM PST

The camera is just there out of obligation, people expect them. You can get 5 megapixel cameras with decent lens in some nokia's.
But how many devices would you need to do it all seperately.
iPod, portabke video player, web tablet, flashlight, phone, ebook reader, GPS.
Are you seriously suggesting it's better way to do it if you have a seperate device for a seperate function?

Ohh I think the PC does an amazing job at nearly everything.Tv, DVD player, blu ray, gaming, web/email, content creation. It does all these better than seperate devices and without the clutter.

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more stuff in less space = more compromises
Dec 7, 2008 12:21AM PST

<i>The camera is just there out of obligation, people expect them. You can get 5 megapixel cameras with decent lens in some nokia's.</i>

Why should you or anyone have to apologize for Apple's crappy camera? If they do a camera it should be a good camera not just out of "obligation". And just adding megapixels will not make it better. The megapixel race is a specifications farce designed to make people think they are getting better quality when all they are getting is more grainy pixels.

My point is that when manufacturers try to fit everything under the sun into smaller and smaller devices and do it all for a low price point they must make compromises. Its just basic economics. When you specialize and do one thing and do it well there are fewer compromises you must make.

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Yeah
Dec 8, 2008 8:30AM PST

Megapixel is just a specification. Hence why I added a decent lens. Honestly the iPhone camera is so bad that I'm embarassed to give people pictures it takes because I think it reflects poorly on me. It's only there to avoid rye uproar there would be with no camera, I think apple gave it a very low priority. But the point is there are phones out there with good cameras.

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Qualcomm to the rescue w/netbook-MID tablet! :)
Dec 5, 2008 6:50AM PST
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Well
Dec 5, 2008 11:32AM PST

It will have to be intel Atom based to achieve low power and low cost, a CPU that will struggle beyond web browsing and email or standard def video.
I say best way to do it, go for a touch screen no keyboard to save space. Build in 3G and wifi.
Ok so a 7" iPhone pretty much. Wink that would be the ideal netbook.

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The most important things for me is battery.
Dec 8, 2008 11:22AM PST

As long a device has good battery life or replaceable batteries, I don't really care. I have a 15.4" laptop that is about 6 lbs. and it has decent battery life. But it is not good to just send a quick email.

That is why I think smart phones are the best form factor. It is small enough to send an email, but mobile web is not quite up to where I would like it to be. I think once we get more storage, more powerful phones and faster mobile data rates here in the U.S. it will be nearly perfect. If I could get an Android device, like the G1, only more powerful with faster data than what T-Mobile offers in my area, I would be happy.