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The New Pope's Influence

Apr 19, 2005 11:45AM PDT

A couple of thoughts/questions:
-What effect will the new Pope have on Christianity in Europe, which has slowly been leaning more and more secular? Will Europeans switch back to Christianity due to the Pope's election? Was this a reason for his selection?

-Will Pope Benedict XVI attempt to guide German politics, and their stance on international issues? He's practically untouchable politically as long as he portrays his opinions as coinciding with Church teachings.

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The same as all popes.
Apr 20, 2005 12:50AM PDT

People will follow his advice and claim virtue, morality, and being on the side of god when they agree with his position. They will ignore him or rationalize their way past positions where there is disagreement.

Don't expect his elevation to have a noticeable effect on either of the points you raised.

He is always untouchable politically because he appointed for life and believes his views are those of god and was selected by the inspiration of the holy spirit. How would you get to such a person?

Dan

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Hope his years in the Hitler Youth and the Anti Aircraft
Apr 20, 2005 9:34AM PDT

Brigade don't count for much.

Some people in Germany didn't join the H.Y.

Rob

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Yah, I'm sure that deep down he's really fighting that
Apr 20, 2005 11:08AM PDT

desire to say 'Heil Hitler'. You guys don't miss a beat. Second post and your muttering about his Nazi past as if it will affect his future. I guess it's getting to be habit.

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(NT) (NT) I got the impression that every kid belonged to HY
Apr 20, 2005 12:49PM PDT
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"every kid belonged to HY"
Apr 21, 2005 2:33PM PDT

WT97 8/1 pp. 21-22 "Patiently Waiting on Jehovah From My Youth On"
... Experiences like that prepared me for more difficult tests. For example, in school I was pressured to join the Hitler Youth organization, in which children were trained in military discipline and indoctrinated with Nazi philosophy. Some teachers had the personal goal to achieve 100-percent student participation. My teacher, Herr Schneider, must have felt that he was a complete failure because, unlike all the other teachers in my school, he was one student short of 100-percent participation. I was that student.
One day Herr Schneider announced to the entire class: ?Boys, tomorrow we will go on a class outing.? Everybody liked the idea. Then he added: ?All of you should wear your Hitler Youth uniforms so that when we march through the streets, all can see that you are nice Hitler boys.? The next morning all the boys showed up in their uniforms except me. The teacher called me to the front of the classroom and asked me: ?Look around at the other boys and then look at yourself.? He added: ?I know that your parents are poor and cannot afford to buy you a uniform, but let me show you something.? He brought me to his desk, opened a drawer, and said: ?I want to give you this brand-new uniform. Isn?t it beautiful??
I would rather have died than put on a Nazi uniform. When my teacher saw that I had no intention of wearing it, he got angry, and the entire class booed me. Then he took us on the outing but tried to hide me by making me walk in the middle of all the other boys in their uniforms. However, many people in town could see me as I stood out among my classmates. Everybody knew that my parents and I were Jehovah?s Witnesses. I am thankful to Jehovah for giving me the needed spiritual strength when I was young.
As told by Rudolph Graichen

WT61 4/15 p. 246 "Deliverance from Totalitarian Inquisition Through Faith in God"
... July brought announcement of my wife?s arrest. Our son would be raised by Nazis. Many other Witness children were snatched from their parents and placed in Nazi homes. Most of these youngsters were strengthened by this ordeal. One girl of thirteen wrote her parents: ?I always remember the faithful men like Job, Daniel and others, taking them for an example, and I would rather die than become unfaithful to God.? Despite severe pressure, these children refused to join the Hitler youth movement. Because of their Christian manners some were preferred by Nazi parents ahead of their own children.
As told by Erich Frost

WT55 9/1 p. 521 Part 17: "Christian Neutrals During World War II"
For the witnesses who refused to undertake military service lengthy sentences in prisons were rendered and banishment to concentration camps. Likewise refusal by men and women to ?Heil Hitler? was considered an act against the state, bringing harsh sentences. To have in one?s possession any of the Society?s publications meant sure detention. Some of the ?evil slave? class, who turned against the Society in earlier years, betrayed the faithful into the hands of the police for summary disappearance. Children were taken away from Jehovah?s witnesses to be adopted into Nazi homes. But many [Note: not "all"] of those Christian-trained youngsters refused to enter the Hitler youth movements when forced.

Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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(NT) (NT) The dead ones?
Apr 21, 2005 1:00AM PDT
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You will stop at nothing will you :-(
Apr 21, 2005 1:07AM PDT
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Truth is irrelevant in the pursuit of the greater good.
Apr 21, 2005 1:35AM PDT

The DNC agenda of course embraces all that is good.