Neither of those will take much abuse.
I know people who knocked their iPods off a 3 foot table and broke the hard drive, though iPod claims to have a fall-proof (turns off HD when it sense falling) iPod in the making. the Zen touch will have the same problem.
Pretty much the most durable MP3 players are Flash based ones, since none that I have seen have broken, even after my friend dropped it from 5 feet up and I've knocked it against things countless times.
My Dell DJ has brocken when I dropped it on the carped from my bed, which was about 3-4 feet up, but my Creative Muvo N200 has never had a problem
im gonna get a mp3 player soon and i want one that is VERY duriable. i mean it wont break no matter what happens to it. and when i mean duriable i mean it will actually last me more than two weeks before it screws up.
im considering the apple ipod or the creative zen touch(20gb).

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