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The label is needed because neocons ("neoconservatives")

Nov 20, 2005 3:50AM PST

like to consider themselves "conservative," yet share little with the true conservative philosophy. True conservatives believe in freedom from government regulation -- Neocons believe the governemnt should regulate all sexual and reproductive behavior and mores. Conservatives believe in fiscal restraint -- neocons have no problem amassing large budget deficits to support aggressive foreign policy, excessive defense spending, and enormous tax cuts primarily helpng the wealthy. Conservatives believe in a strict interpratation of the Constitution -- necons have no problem with the lack of a declaration of war in either VietNam or Iraq. Conservatives want limited government; neocons support massive pork barrel spending that further exacerbates the budget deficits. Conservatives want to preserve the best of the status quo while moving forward into the future; neocons are trying to turn the clock back by eliminating the minimum wage, protection for the right to organize, and apparently reapportionment (see the Alito thread...). Codename for "Jewish?" Not hardly!

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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(NT) (NT) BS
Nov 20, 2005 3:50AM PST
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(NT) (NT) dk your waders are full
Nov 20, 2005 3:52AM PST
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Then can you tell us anything about the person
Nov 20, 2005 3:54AM PST

or committee that coined that word and approved the definition of it in similar terms that would coincide with your explanation and examples?

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I think it is safe to say ...
Nov 20, 2005 3:58AM PST

... that the Weekly Standard (Bill Kristol) and National Review (Lowry, Goldberg, et.al.) are the two conservative outlets most correlated with neoconservatism. Anyone that has any doubt about this can read over at a "paleo" site like Buchanan's or some libertarian sites (I've seen some pretty harsh stuff over at LewRockwell.com).

Addressing just ONE of Dave's BS assertions, you will HARDLY find support for runaway spending by Republicans on either site. AAMOF, throughout the Bush Presidency, authors on such sites frequently criticize this Administration for not vetoing so much as a SINGLE spending bill, etc.

Evie Happy

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Steven, would this be a place
Nov 20, 2005 4:10AM PST

where you would think it appropriate to mention the use of snide remarks?

Evie: BS
Mark: dk your waders are full

I realize that you have said you are not the forum's policeman, but I ask because it is my impression that you are much more tuned in when much less invidious and egregious comments come from the side which you do not normally support.

Certainly, those sarcasms, standing naked and with no redeemng feature, are more harmful to the forum that my adding "if anything" to my title, which was then followed by a substantive post. While you claim that your comment was not directed at me, since it was posted as a reply to my post, that frankly is hard to take at face value.

Here, instead of criticizing these egregious remarks, you respond only with a question to the poster. That strikes me as quite inconsistent.

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its only snide if not true
Nov 20, 2005 4:15AM PST

happy now?

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There's this thing called free speech...
Nov 20, 2005 4:20AM PST

Sometimes people say things with a short comment instead of bloviating.

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No in between, EdH?
Nov 20, 2005 4:28AM PST

Bloviating means "To discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner: ?the rural Babbitt who bloviates about ?progress? and ?growth?? A lot of people think that there is considerable middle ground between those two extremes. But if you think that BS and "are your waders full" are appropriate ways to discuss on the forum, perhaps that may help explain some of your posts.

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Definition by committee, Steven?
Nov 20, 2005 4:21AM PST

When did you come to think that there is a single person or a committee that tells us what words mean? The meaning of words surely comes from the way different people use them, not from a committee. The words have been used in a variety of not always consistent ways, which is so true of so many words such as the words "left" and "liberal". But among the ways the words have been used is the way DaveK is looking at them.

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So you say
Nov 20, 2005 4:06AM PST

Your opinion only.

I don't like being labeled.
Your description seems be made up by you alone. It's been claimed that SE has been "taken over" by neocons but I doubt there are any here at all who would call themselves such.

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(NT) (NT) Drat!!! I SWEAR this was a "reply" toDuckman's Post!
Nov 20, 2005 4:10AM PST
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Allowing your definition.................
Nov 20, 2005 4:19AM PST

.......guess we also need a label ''Neolib''. Won't you agree ?