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STOP

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STOP POSTING THIS STUFF NO ONE CARES!

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Look Around,they're your neighbors,co-workers......

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business owners,your doctor??.... ya better care

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Misunderstood

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The poster is created a sterotype of muslims by trying to say that there all Terroist, infact their not. You shouldn't degrade muslims because of their faith.

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Not necessary/

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Those are not Jonah's words.

He posted a survey that was conducted by a recognized news source.

He is British, and the survey was taken in Britain. The questions were put to Muslims in Britain, and their responses were tallied.

You will note that 91% of the responders were against the bombings there.

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Sorry

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Sorry, I appologize.

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(NT) (NT) Apology accepted. Thank you !

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So much for multiculturalism!

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The opinion poll for Sky News revealed that roughly the same number (nearly half) thought of themselves as Muslims first and British second.

I'm an American who happens to be a Presbyterian, NOT a Presbyterian who happens to live in the United States. The difference between the two halves of the previous sentence should be obvious.

IMO, this is the inevitable result of a nation failing to insist - no, demand - that those who emigrate to it commit to the values and traditions of their new homeland.

We here in the U.S., alas, do much the same thing; I wonder when we'll begin seeing the same result?
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We in the US

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We here in the U.S., alas, do much the same thing; I wonder when we'll begin seeing the same result?

The only difference I cling to, is that we do not have the vocal religious leaders as overtly preaching hate/violence. Here's hoping the ACLU has not been successful in thwarting efforts to eviscerate such actions conducted in more covert arenas.

Evie Happy
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Which comes first for you Paul -- God or country?

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Usually that's not a choice that has to be made -- but once in a while it does. Don't forget that for a devout Muslim, that's what's at issue -- not whether one is a Presbyterian, Episcopalian, or Baptist. Most Christian sects also teach that one's duty to God supercedes one's duty to country on the rare occasions when they come into conflict. To avoid more recent (and hence controversial) examples, while on tour of York (England) last week we chanced upon a shrine to a woman executed in cruel fashion during the 17th Century for the crime of hiding a Catholic priest in her home -- that was considered treason to the Crown, and hence country. She was one of forty such "English martyrs" canonized in 1970, and there are hundred more who are "venerable" or "blessed." Also note that the Boy Scout oath is "For God and Country" -- not the reverse.

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But it seems that

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.....Which comes first for you Paul -- God or country? Usually that's not a choice that has to be made -- but once in a while it does. Don't forget that for a devout Muslim, that's what's at issue.......

The problem seems to be that many, if not most, demand the government follow their religious rules as law. They do seem everything that isn't per their religion an intended insult and attempt to destroy them. So if all devout Muslims feel that they cannot live under the laws of the country they live it, should they strive to overthrow the governments (as many immans seem to preach regularly) of all the countries they're living within?

It appears not so much a conflict between being British and Muslim, but a conflict between not ruling by Islamic law. The conflict stated often enough is Islam against ALL INFIDELS, meaning anyone not Islamic, and for the fanatics, anyone not their particular sect of Islam.

I've heard it claimed that Puritans came to America not for religious freedom, but to established communities where they could persecute anyone that didn't follow their creed.

That standard is what appears to be the goal of many of the immans preaching, demanding that all bow to their views or else they will be declared enemies of Islam and eliminated.

Not all Mulsims believe that, but that is the question for the rest of us. Those that do may truly believe it's a case of conflict between their religious truth and government law. And they may believe they are requried to overcome by all means possible, including terrorism, the infidels they see all around them.

THAT is the problem for everyone else. As fanatics of all religions and beliefs have proven in the past, there is no negotiating or compromise with those on a 'holy war'.

JMO

Roger

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You read a lot more into their response than I did, Roger.

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I was taking the aversion to considering oneself "a Muslim first" at face value, not addressing the more complicated issues you're bringing up. Incidentally (and tragically), many of the beautiful stained glass windows and statues in the English and Irish cathedrals were destroyed by the Puritans, who had a very iconoclastic view of religious art (if you're familiar with the origins of that word...)

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When the nearest street corner Imman is preaching

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the need to undermine and destroy the British government, the choice of Mulsim first and British second seems exactly the choice between citizens and terrorists.

JMO

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I believe fanatic is the key word

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Fanatic itself is an invention of around 1525, meaning ''insane person''. It comes from the Modern Latin fanaticus, meaning ''insanely but divinely inspired''. The word originally pertained to a temple or sacred pl

Fanaticism is misplaced enthusiasm, over zealous, no spiritual self control...

There is only one step from fanaticism to barbarism.
- Denis Diderot

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I've heard it claimed that Puritans came to America not for religious freedom, but to established communities where they could persecute anyone that didn't follow their creed

That is like one saying the Alamo was fought for the rights of Protestants to practice it?s religion over the Catholics?

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Most Christian sects also teach that one's duty to God supercedes one's duty to country on the rare occasions when they come into conflict. To avoid more recent (and hence controversial) examples, while on tour of York (England) last week we chanced upon a shrine to a woman executed in cruel fashion during the 17th Century for the crime of hiding a Catholic priest in her home -- that was considered treason to the Crown, and hence country.

The operative word here, Dave, is "rare." Besides, we Christians are far past that sort of thing; the question that is now before us is "Will Muslims realize that the God versus country conundrum is in fact rare, or will they continue to live in the 8th century?"
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So you're going to tar that whole population because 2%

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agree with the bombers, and probably no more than 20 or 30 have been willing to be involved however tangentially in terrorism?

Of course most Muslims identify as Muslims first. Most of them are immigrants from elsewhere, what else have they got to hold on to? Until recently most Italian Americans identified themselves as Italians first and Americans second. The farther from their immigrant ancestors people get the more likely they are to identify with their country of birth and long family residency.

Sky News, another Rupert Murdoch faux news entity, just like Faux News itself has construed this 2% as justifying a statement like "Radical clerics... are not out of touch with mainstream Muslim views". Since when does 2% equal Mainstream? This is an example of biased reporting of the worst sort.

You of all people are likely to understand this, Jonah.

Rob

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judge not others, as you would judge yourself?

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in the first place....i posted it as a news item..

secondly, i AM the last person to use the tar brush on muslims...

thirdly...you misread the article!!!

#Radical clerics who preach violence are not out of touch with mainstream Muslim views, according to nearly half of British Muslims questioned in a poll#

nearly half? 49%? 45%? 43%?

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There's a solution here, Rob.

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Let the 98% expel, or better yet, turn in the 2%. NOW. Any other course of action is, IMO, unacceptable.

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And if they're unable or UNWILLING to do so...

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..then purge 100% of them from the civilized world, beginning with here. If changes to our Constitution must be made, let's make the changes now. But let's end this war quickly. It's already been declared and waged by the other (inferior) side, so let there be no doubt, it's most definitely war. Only REAL Americans and right thinking people have any honor and standing here. Subhuman suicide bombers and their allies are worth far less than the lowly cockroach.

Who bombed the USS Cole? Muslims

Who bombed the Marine barricks? Muslims

Who were the cowards who killed the disabled Leon Klinghoffer by pushing his wheelchair off a ship? Muslims

Who tried to blow up the WTC but failed, before 9/11? Muslims

Who flew planes into the World Trade Center buildings and killed 3000 people on 9/11/01 for Satanic "fun"? Muslims

Who blew up the subway / tube and a bus for Satanic "fun" on 7/7/05 after sponging off the welfare benefits of the Brits? Muslims.

Who tried to do it again a couple of weeks later? Muslims (trust me, it was Muslims)

Who blew up the TWA flight to Lockerbie? Muslims

If you have to associate a word with "terrorist" what word would you associate? Muslims

Who could report the terrorists in their midst to the police but so far haven't done crap, not a damn thing, to do so? Muslims

Does this FACT make the whole Muslim community accomplices to the terrorists? Yes

It almost makes me puke when anybody says anything against profiling, because who is terrorizing the world today? Muslims

Can a backward Muslim take their Koran into Christian lands and sponge off of the welfare benefits and good will of Christians while the wormy ingrate immigrant preaches hate and jihad and everything in the world against Christians and Jews and the vastly superior West? Yes

Can a Christian even take a bible into a backward Muslim land? No

Will a leftist MPD who allies him/herself with Muslim terrorists and with any and all enemies of the USA send a modalert after reading this post? Yes, most definitely, probably using at least 3 or 4 names, lol.

Will I care? No, not one bit. Never have, never will.

And on and on and on. There's more, lots lots more. Anybody who denies it is just plain stupid and denying reality while worshiping leftist Political Correctness.

I choose to ignore PC. Peaceful religion my ascii... let them prove it for a few hundred, no, a few thousand years, then PERHAPS I'll reconsider the possibility of believing that claim, but probably not. So far they've failed in every way imaginable and I'm ready to put an end to this, one way or another.

If necessary, and it appears it is, I say to begin by forbidding any immigration to the US by any Muslim unless it is proven in advance that the immigrant would be beneficial to the real Americans of the USA. If that doesn't work we'll soon have to purge the land of this evil. If that is required, the sooner we start the better. Whatever it takes is what we should do.

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Agree 100%

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Purge 100% of them from the civilized world.
They havnt become cililized after all this time so not much chance they ever will.

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again...

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I pitty you and your ignorence...

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Purge 100% of them from the civilized world?

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Then why is BushCo spending billions of our dollars and hundreds of our young men and women's lives fighting for their freedom. Kind of stupid isn't it?

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2%

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Try to re-read the article without any bias. 2% agreed with the London bombings, not the whole holy war or imans.

Tom

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