The Don should be careful

I don't want someone who's going to make 101 changes right out of the chute.

One thing at a time, learn the pro's and con's before pulling the trigger.

I am very conservative and tend to vote Republican the majority of the time because of that; however, when a really moderate Dem comes along and proves they stay in that lane of being able to cross the aisle and actually compromise, I have voted for them when I see their Republican opponent in a race is a phony who can't be trusted. There are many Republicans that I've not liked at all during their campaigns or from their records and I've voted for the Dem in those cases if the Dem seemed to be the better pick.....and plenty of those Republicans are sitting in office right now because others have decided to vote along strict party lines rather than for the good of the country.

And, just as obviously, I am very vocal when I totally am disgusted and fearful when Dems are elected that common sense dictates they are really, really bad and the media excuses that person with every breath or refuses to even report those issues.

You always say to me that "BO isn't the president" and that I should stay focused on events going on today instead. I'm a firm believer in history proving itself over and over again, and if you DON'T look to the past and learn from it, you are doomed to repeat it and the only ways to prevent that is to compare issues and how they have been dealt with.

Trump isn't perfect....far from it. But he is nowhere near the destructive force people try to make him out to be and has actually been good at a job he literally never had to take on. He had no ambition to be a legend in his own time, unlike BO, and he has a true love of this country's potential as a COUNTRY and not a GLOBAL punching bag. His biggest mistake, I believe, was in believing naively in the beginning of his terms that everyone around him could be trusted to also have that same love of country he did and that their advice was also trustworthy. He's learned a lot in a short period of time to trust his gut more than the advice, I believe, and has gotten much better at getting what he needs done with much better people around him.

Even BO had people who disagreed with him (and they were right to do so) and he immediately replaced them with 'yes' men and women instead, especially his financial advisors. He corrupted and weaponized his administration to 'reward our friends and punish our enemies' attitudes and culture (that's an actual quote from him). As for the 'racial divide' that people are blaming on Trump....even the Washington Post headline in October 2016 was "Racial Divide worse under Obama"...because it was something he deliberately encouraged from the very beginning that started with the attack publicly against the Cambridge police and escalated it from there. And people who voted in the 2010 election are all mindful of how Obamacare got put into place, including how he treated (mistreated) his own party House and Senate Dems in order to get it passed and used Harry Reid to change the voting rules to eliminate the Scott Brown vote that would have been the one vote that would have been against it and cause it to fail.

IF the Dems could somehow reverse the death of their party by condemning publicly the radical crap that's taking it over, and IF the Republicans could take a hard look at the 'establishment' members who love the status quo, and IF both parties could actually set term limits on themselves so entrenchment and personal wealth stops being a factor in Congress, we would be so much better off. We have term limits for Presidents in order to stop power ruling over good of country....it should not stop there.

I would tell the voters this country has more than a few problems and I'm not going to try to solve them all right out of the chute.

Here is where I would like to start.
We have a missmash of health care programs.
Medicaid
Medicare
Tricare
VA
I would like to bring them all under one roof.
The program is not free it will be premium driven.
This is not medicare for all.

Next I would like to increase our supply of renewable energy and upgrade our power grid so we can move this energy to where it's needed.

If we can get those 2 things done then we move on to the next 2.

I would not talk about free health care for all or forgiving student loans or some of that other give away stuff.

I'm going to say that, with about 1/2 the population using employer sponsored programs, you'd have a problem. Unless that 1/2 is not at all happy with their healthcare program, any candidate who'd suggest they'd replace it with a government plan is in big trouble with these folks. Another thing I hear little mention of is the thinking of our best and most skilled medical providers. A good number of these people have invested 10 or more years of their lives in additional education and training before they can ask a dime for their services. Experience in actual medical practice can only make them more valuable and difficult to replace. You're going to need a plan that doesn't discourage people from entering into medicine by making certain that they are rewarded with more than a feeling of good karma. That plan must also encourage innovation if you want medical advancement to continue. Lawyers and regulatory already take their toll in that regard. Good luck with coming up with anything that lives happily under one roof.

I did not say anything about making it mandatory.
If you have an employer health plan and you like it stay there.
The plan for each group might vary.
Each group would be brought in one at a time and a plan would be developed.

but make sure that all elected members of congress who vote on such plans would be obliged to covered similarly to one of them. Good luck with that.

Private health plan.

They can make their own choice to stay with it or go to a different plan.

What ever plan congress enacts, they must use the plans enacted for us.

Time to end their private health care system.

It's a nice thought but won't happen.
Congress writes their own perks.
They are not going to backup to a commoner's health care plan.
To tie that into a plan to bring the four groups under one roof would kill it.

My new version of the old slogan is "Untied we stand!"
Do you notice how much of Pres. Bob's plan hinges on bilateral and bicameral cooperation? Don't tell him, though. He looks so happy now, doesn't he?

VA is for military and ex-military. Difficult to mix it in with the others, especially with the Vets' special needs. Not necessary anyway. Leave that separate system intact. Plenty to do on the others.

You certainly have good intentions. We sometimes ask, Which one of mankind's problems would you eliminate if you could?

Sounds like you would vote "sickness". At that point we go to a scripture (of many) that shows just how God's kingdom will address that. (Isa 33:24 is a good start.) You're unusual, though. Where most are happy to learn of that, even with doubts, you reject it all as unbelieveable, then run right back to a system that has _proven_ its inability to make any progress on the problem.
You're just too hard to please.

Would have a different plan than someone on medicaid.
If a VA member wanted to use a VA facility that's fine.
If a VA member wanted to use a nearby doctor that's fine.
These are all things to be worked out as each plan is developed.

providers under some circumstances. (I'm on the border of the 40 mile distance from a VA hospital.) Haven't done it yet. I'm healthy enough to take train/bus/foot up and back. ($1.00 rt)
But, that isn't the "plan", it's part of the government's panic response to the '40 dead patients' problem of a few years ago. I imagine it's very expensive, but that's not a consideration. It would be when you sat down with your advisers on your First Wednesday.

really really bad"

That use of "common sense" in this context is a logical fallacy, Toni. (I forget which one.)
Example: It asks me to believe, on your say-so that the majority of the Democratic voters lack any common sense. If they heard you say that, they would be petitioning Lee to ban you.
Next, it assumes that your definition of common sense is the only correct one. I might entertain that, just for discussion, but you didn't define that very important term.
There are other reasons. Please Google them.

So, is it possible that your opinions _don't_ always represent facts? If so, can it harm you to entertain input from other sources?

From my peculiar point of view, of course, no one is "really really" good or bad because the Bible says the standard for right or wrong is Jehovah's only. But never mind that now.

I'm no fan of the swamp, so I was as encouraged (as much as I could be) by "Change you can believe in!" back in 2008. But, no change, no matter what Biden thinks. Two of the deadliest no-changes were Guantanamo and drones. Non-deadly: When the smoke cleared, the biggest actors in the 2008 money debacle were mostly still in place or floating away to Paradise under golden parachutes.

I firmly believe that advancing technology will allow some ordinary Muslim to blow up one of the Obama girls' weddings. Not because of his alleged religion or race or nationality or his past office, but because 'He's the one who blew up my sister's wedding!' At that time I don't expect to find either one of us gloating. He has left a legacy if hatred in some quarters. Trump is doing so, in other quarters.

If you step back from your own posts I think you'll see that posters on both sides feel as you say you sometimes do. That either side can, and does, produce evildoers. An that seems unlikely to change. Biden saw eight years of no-change from the inside but doesn't remember it. Hijab Girl is in love with her own logical fallacies. Hillary and her kind _live_ in the Swamp down to this day.
IMO, you politicizing folks got nothin'.

Now, if you could take off from the compliment you paid to the Evil Liberals- that they used to listen to other sides- you could learn about a worldwide organization that has all the features you want from government, in spite of coming from the same imperfect gene pool as the above-named. It works now. It works well with an all-volunteer staff. (No paid hierarchy.)
Here it is, again. jw.org
Be a good little liberal and look into it.

BTW I took your advice. I just finished deleting about a third of the post for clarity. No semicolons. Better use of pronouns. (Maybe even no typos, for a change.) Ain't I a nice guy?

'There was a time when I would have had them all.'
From The Magnificent Seven.

and the 'Democratic' voters......There is NOTHING 'Democratic' about anything from that party. It's DEMOCRAT....PERIOD. Yes, I know that the word 'democratic' has been bastardized in the dictionary's to include reference to that party, but it basically began with 'social equality' and that's something that will NEVER be achieved no matter how badly they push for it (look at the cities they govern over for proof) in order to get elected.

As for the Dem voters....as long as they continue to believe that Dems will keep giving them more and more freebies and NOT comprehend that SOMEBODY is paying for that, they HAVE lost all common sense. My opinion is NOT the only good one out there....but at least I understand math much better than those Baltimore kids evidently that are being bombarded with liberal lies for future voting purposes only while being betrayed with regard to their actual schooling/education.... https://americanactionnews.com/articles/study-13-baltimore-schools-0-students-proficient-in-math That's 13 out of 39 with ZERO proficiency in math.

Well, you were doing so well with your post....I was overwhelmed almost to the end of it with how well thought out and precise you were....and then you had to go and ruin it all with the 'force fed' lecture again....and add insult to injury by referring to me as a 'good little liberal'.

so this was ouch #2. Ouch was response to the "burn" intended
for recipient.

Rick

That's the mainstream response. Won't change, because you say it won't.

Have you told Lee about the "force feeding"? Sounds nasty, like what happened to the poor sods who protested in Guantanamo. Actionable I would think. At least when done to a free American.

Yes it is, so far.