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Whiich leads to the question...
how much is BP's liability and how much is someone else's (The CG)?
Please Paul,allow me to rant............
Basically,what both BP and The CG did was to allow The Three Stooges to fight the fire.
You're talking about a huge rig on stilts which is mounted on pontoons.You don't allow 6 boats to pour tons of sea water into that rig and not expect that to disturb the center of gravity of said rig and sink it!! Of course they contributed to the sinking....duh.
"Coast Guard officials told the Center for Public Integrity that the service does not have the expertise to fight an oil rig fire".
Well gee,if you owned a Bentley and had an unlimited budget,would you go to "Pep Boys" to fix the damn thing
wouldn't that require planning instead of reacting?
Is there a water equivalent of Red Adair?
A water equivalent isn't needed....Google "Piper Alpha".....
"July 6 1984, North Sea off Scotland: 166 workers killed in explosion and fire on Occidental Petroleum's Piper Alpha rig in North Sea; 64 survivors. It is the world's worst offshore oil disaster."
Red Adair put out Piper Alpha.
Of course I know that,James.........
I'm speaking with the assumption that his knowledge of fire fighting has been passed on.
It's something they should train for.
There are lots of oil rigs in their jurisdiction. Why would they NOT learn how to fight those fires? Calling in the experts is fine, but waiting for them to show up probably would take too much time.
So the debate becomes
would it theoretical have been worse to let it burn until they got an expert?
And based on a theoretical debate blame, responsibility, and reimbursement costs are assigned?
Umm yeah let it burn,..........
surround it with booms then call the people who are acknowledged to be the best in the world at what they do.
I know this will annoy Libs to no end:
After he extinguished "Piper Alpha" in '84,Red Adair got a call for help from a fellow Texan in '91.It was GHWB asking for help after Saddam's troops set fire to over 600 oil wells in Kuwait.
Enviromentalists estimated it would take 3-5yrs to put out these massive well fires,Red Adair/Boots&Coots did it in 5 months.
Also of interest,"Devil's Cigarrete Lighter".
Go with what you got...
The CG is trained for "fire control" but not all types of fires can be contained and an OIL fire is very hard to fight. Not only that but the equipment necessary is just not part of the CG's mission as in fire dept. station. They respond as best they can to include all other vessels. Though, some equipement or vessel can be "in place/station" as possible response, it still takes time to get anywhere as it very possible not a cruising vessel but in idle readiness until needed. Still the CG did the best it can and if the results are a sinking occurred, it could mean the time factor, because if it could gotten sooner, the fire *MAYBE* controlled. But all these factors contribute to the end result. I just don't see where it falls on the CG shoulders to even be blamed. the oil companies themseleves need the planning to fulfill what in the long term is in their best interests. As has been discovered or reveled, BP short-changed itself and failed and all this prior to a fire. It made the worst case scenario possible. Let's not be so quick to blame the fire responders. -----Willy
it was surrounded by water, right?
I thought the attempt to control the fire was to offer chance to any survivors. Beyond that, I wonder if there'd have been more fire than what was spewing. Even if they'd let it burn, wouldn't it eventually have to be put out before attempt to cap well anyway?