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The Boston Globe lied? How could this be? The New York

Apr 19, 2005 12:17AM PDT

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Actually KP,the reporter lied and the newspaper got suckered
Apr 19, 2005 5:52AM PDT

That's the way it works. To lie you have to know that what you are saying is false. Is there any indication of that here? Its sort of like your assertion, if you do not truly believe in your heart that the Boston Globe deliberately lied, then you yourself are guilty of lying. God is not mocked.

Rob

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the newspaper got suckered...
Apr 19, 2005 6:14AM PDT

because the story fit so perfectly with its editors' agenda that they apparently felt no need to verify known "truth" even if, as it turns out, it hasn't happened yet.

Now, if the point instead is that we should quibble about the exact moment of untruth by whom at the Boston Globe, one could argue that lie was made long ago and consistently remade when they hold themselves out journalists, i.e, objective reporters of news that their readers need or would want to know or more fully understand. But I digress...

dw

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Maybe that particular 'news' story was written
Apr 19, 2005 6:28AM PDT

ahead of time, and accidently got into the paper at the wrong time? Silly

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The newspaper admitted that large parts of the story were
Apr 19, 2005 7:27AM PDT

fabricated as the article says.

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The Boston Globe gets suckered a lot
Apr 19, 2005 7:47AM PDT

Mike Barnicle (shudder), Patricia Smith and now this. You would think they'd employ some fact-checkers. They seem to have a problem distinguishing reality from fantasy.

Since I live in "the area" the Globe's recurrent follies and biases are familiar to me.

http://www.transparencynow.com/globewr.htm

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Well, if you want to get legalistic about it Rob, the
Apr 19, 2005 7:24AM PDT

reporter knew he/she was lying. The reporter is an agent of the Boston Globe, and was acting in his/her official capacity. Therefore, the Boston Globe, thru its legally designated agent, KNEW that it was lying. The Boston Globe cannot say that it doesn't know what its reporters are saying. It also can't say it should not be held responsible when they lie. It is its duty to be sure that what it publishes is true. If it argued otherwise, it would be laughed out of a court of law.

The Globe, like SeeBS, saw a story that fit its agenda, and, when it published, it said it was true. If it was not true, then the Globe lied when it said it had done what was necessary to insure that it was true.

I did not lie. The Boston Globe lied from at least two points of view, and it did so deliberately. In the first case, through its agent. In the second case, by representing that it had mechanisms in place and operating to detect lies when it did not have these in place and operating.

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Think your reasoning is backwards. The Boston Globe has
Apr 19, 2005 9:32AM PDT

a reason to accept an employee's veracity through the employment contract the employee signs. Same with CBS. If most of the story checks out on fact checking (assuming it's done independently) then they run it.

Rob

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Tell that to the court after said employee slanders someone.
Apr 19, 2005 1:06PM PDT

At any rate, you still don't get it. The employee doing his/her job is an agent of The Boston Globe! When its agent says something, The Boston Globe says it. If the employee lies, The Boston Globe lies. How do you think the paper would otherwise lie? It's not a person. It, the corporation, cannot do anything by itself. It only does things when its employees do things.

This isn't a matter of logic and argument. This is the law.

BTW, accepting an employee's veracity because an employee promises to tell the truth is NOT exercising due diligence. The newspaper must have mechanisms in place to insure that employees do not lie.

Get OVER IT! You claimed something, and were wrong. Sheesh!

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You are certainly on your high horse because of a
Apr 19, 2005 1:15PM PDT

suggestion that one of your beloved liberal newspapers lied. Why aren't you equally outraged when certain people, yourself included, run around claiming that President Bush lied? For example, how to you KNOW that George Bush wasn't mistaken about WMD? How do you KNOW that he knew they weren't there, but said they were anyway. Isn't that what you claim a lie is? Have you been lying about George Bush and the Republicans? If not, what evidence do you have that proves George Bush KNEW he was lying about WMD?

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The Boston Globe lied?!!
Apr 20, 2005 6:38PM PDT

Naaahh!