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That was a good day.

by Dan McC / February 13, 2006 12:23 AM PST

February 12, 1809. On this date Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born. In their own ways, they worked to free men's bodies, minds, and spirits. It is difficult to imagine what a smaller place the world would be today without the watershed achievements of these two great men.

Their like does not come alone very often, much less two on the very same day.

Dan

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Interesting
by grimgraphix / February 13, 2006 1:01 AM PST
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Interesting that 2 men, born almost 200 years ago, still have such an impact on the lives of so many today.

grim

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Wow! Praise for a Republican President...
by EdH / February 13, 2006 1:16 AM PST
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who, but the way, suspended habeas corpus, closed down newspapers, jailed his critics, refused trials for prisoners of war and generally acted like a dictator so he could wage the war effectively.

Hmmm.

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Don't forget...
by grimgraphix / February 13, 2006 1:26 AM PST
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Very different kind of war, EdH.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / February 13, 2006 2:30 AM PST

Not preemptive, and actually declared by Congress... And you couldn't find a more diametrically opposed view of the role of government in society than between Lincoln (government of the people, for the people, by the people) and that in favor in today's GOP (nominally government as enemy, but actually government of the wealthy, for the wealthy...) I'd take Lincoln over Bush (or Gore, Clinton, or Kerry) in a heartbeat!

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You completely misunderstand history.
by EdH / February 13, 2006 4:06 AM PST

Lincoln concentrated power in his own hands more than any other President in history except maybe FDR. There are far more parallels to Bush than differences. Lincoln was despised in his time too.

Your take on the GOP philosophy is also bogus and right out of the SDS handbook. If anything it's the Democrats who are the party of the rich.

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(NT) (NT) Always with the class warfare
by duckman / February 14, 2006 12:16 PM PST
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Of course you would and with relish...
by Edward ODaniel / February 15, 2006 1:07 AM PST
"The Great Emancipator":

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races?that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

?Abraham Lincoln, fourth debate with Stephen Douglas

What kind of grades did you say you got in history?
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(NT) (NT) He wasn't perfect.
by Dan McC / February 13, 2006 2:45 AM PST
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And don't forget Mrs. Darwin--
by drpruner / February 13, 2006 2:38 AM PST
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Dragon's God. Happy

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(NT) (NT) Explain?
by Dan McC / February 13, 2006 2:46 AM PST
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Dragon likes to needle me by
by drpruner / February 13, 2006 7:07 AM PST
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referring to God as "she"; logically then she must be Mrs. Darwin. (Dragon being also an Orthodox Evolutionist.)

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(NT) (NT) W ell, how do you know God isn't a she? :-)
by Dragon / February 13, 2006 9:53 AM PST
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Say, now that you mention it ...
by drpruner / February 14, 2006 6:26 AM PST

It is dogma, isn't it?

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BTW saw this in NewScientist:
by drpruner / February 14, 2006 7:33 AM PST

Author of an evolution article said it's a shame that minds don't leave fossils. Letter writer said, 'They do: Religious beliefs!' Happy
Thought you'd appreciate that.

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History another weak point?
by Edward ODaniel / February 15, 2006 1:10 AM PST
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"The Great Emancipator":

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races?that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

?Abraham Lincoln, fourth debate with Stephen Douglas
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Though you are repetitious beyond the point
by Dan McC / February 15, 2006 1:58 AM PST

of tedium, I suspect that you might have a point. What is it?

Dan

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is the point that...
by grimgraphix / February 15, 2006 2:22 AM PST

Lincoln, like every other politician in history, pandered to his audience when it served his purpose? Wink

handsome is as handsome does...

grim

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Well, that could be, but
by Dan McC / February 15, 2006 2:31 AM PST
In reply to: is the point that...

that point is not connected to my post.

Dan

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