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Thanyou for making our Prime minister a welcome guest 29K

by SteveGargini / April 16, 2004 5:02 PM PDT
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Just a few thoughts here...

Sweden's government is often called Socialist by your friends here. The Social Democratic Party in Sweden has a very tight relation to the Labour Party in England. The Labour Party is often seen as a Socialist party too, just like the Swedish Social Democratic Party lead by Prime Minister G

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(NT) ^^^ Off Topic ^^^
by C1ay / April 17, 2004 3:02 AM PDT
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Re:Thanyou for making our Prime minister a welcome guest 29K
by Evie / April 16, 2004 10:25 PM PDT

Hi Steve,

If he gave a speech, it wasn't televised while I had my TV on. Irregardless of politics, Blair has amazing presence and eloquence as a speaker and I love hearing him. Agree or not with his position on Iraq, one thing is certain. This is also a man with a strong set of personal convictions and love of his country and humanity.

Evie Happy

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Blair and Bush or Blair and Kerry?
"... and love of his country and humanity. - Evie

What part of his politics do you consider "love for his country"? His domestic policies are without doubt way different from those of Bush's and much closer to those of Kerry?s! And he definitely supports a welfare system that costs people some tax money...
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So?
by Evie / April 16, 2004 11:38 PM PDT

I'm talking about the man and his core convictions. There are principled communists for whom one could argue they have a love of country and humanity. Kerry has no such core convictions. Agree or not with what they are, Bush does, and Blair appears to -- although admittedly I am not as up on the daily goings-on of British politics, this has been my impression.

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Be honest now Evie...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 16, 2004 11:54 PM PDT
In reply to: So?
"... this has been my impression." - Evie

To be honest with us all Evie, isn't it the fact that Blair cooperates with Bush when it comes to the "war on terrorism"? I mean, you say that you don't know for sure what Blair's policy is when it comes to British politics. Please be honest with us now...
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I am being honest ...
by Evie / April 16, 2004 11:58 PM PDT
In reply to: Be honest now Evie...

... so back off with the insulting insinuation that I am not.

I had the same impression of Blair back when he was standing side-by-side with Clinton over the Balkans issue.

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C'mon Evie...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 17, 2004 1:27 AM PDT
In reply to: I am being honest ...

How did I insult you? And how do you know about my insinuations and my thoughts?

End of discussion, ok?

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No not end of discussion
by Evie / April 17, 2004 1:56 AM PDT
In reply to: C'mon Evie...

You clearly imply that I am not being honest. That is an attack. Have a nice day.

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I agree Evie - his form of questioning is insulting NT
by SteveGargini / April 17, 2004 1:58 AM PDT
In reply to: I am being honest ...

NT

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C'mon, Charlie
by Angeline Booher / April 17, 2004 1:18 AM PDT
In reply to: Be honest now Evie...

PM Blair was democratically elected, and it is up to them if they want him to continue in office.

Neither you or I live there. We can read the Brisish press, and I watch BBCAmerica. However, this cannot give us a real sense of the views of their majority.

You have often voiced your opinions (colored by your opinion of our administration, of which you accuse Evie) , and I wish you had not cotinued them here. It would have been nice for us to tell Steve and other citizens of his country that we welcome the PM's visits. I share Eve's take on him.

He has the courage to be resolute re: Iraq, a stance not popular with everyone and could lose him his office.

Those willing to take the heat sure beat those who just stand on the sidelines and carp.

Angeline
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

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April 28. Mark it in your calendar...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 17, 2004 1:24 AM PDT
In reply to: C'mon, Charlie
"... It would have been nice for us to tell Steve and other citizens of his country that we welcome the PM's visits." - Angeline Booher

I hope to see the same positive reactions when G
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Why should it be anything but?
by Evie / April 17, 2004 1:53 AM PDT

I presume you will remind us when it happens. I know nothing of this man and don't have a bunch of televised appearances on which to base any opinion. So don't expect any comments praising him merely because I don't know enough about him. However, my opinion of Blair remains unchanged and he is worthy of praise for standing true to his own self.

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Do a Google...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 17, 2004 2:04 AM PDT
"... So don't expect any comments praising him merely because I don't know enough about him. - Evie

I assume you are as interested in knowing about G
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(NT) Actually, No!
by Evie / April 17, 2004 2:08 AM PDT
In reply to: Do a Google...

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(NT) Message has been deleted.
by Jack Ammann / April 18, 2004 12:24 AM PDT
In reply to: Do a Google...
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Re:Do a Google...funny you should mention doing Google searches AGAIN.
by Jack Ammann / April 18, 2004 12:34 AM PDT
In reply to: Do a Google...

Seems like you'd stay away from that subject.

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Loved it! LOL NT
Happy
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NT - I'm glad it was good for you too... LOL!
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 19, 2004 1:32 AM PDT
In reply to: Loved it! LOL NT

^^

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Re:April 28. Mark it in your calendar...
by Mary Kay / April 17, 2004 2:04 AM PDT

Charlie, you live here by choice but I get the impression that you hate it.Life is too short to make yourself this miserable and to make me feel that I need to make you feel more welcome. My ancestors were from Canada and loved that country. They came here for employment and grew to love the US also. We were taught that it is a privilege and honor to live in these free nations .So count your blessings. And if you feel the US is not for you, the boat travels both ways. I hope you will learn to love it here but you have to put a little effort into it.

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Not at all Mary...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 17, 2004 2:32 AM PDT

I don't hate it here at all. I just have opinions about the current administration and about the world. I don't find Sweden's PM the perfect one. Far from it! I have nothing against you or any other American apart from those in power. But that goes for the people in power in the rest of the world too...
I don't know where you got the thing about you making me feel more welcome from. I haven't asked anybody to make me feel welcome and I haven't asked anything from anybody nor have I taken advantage of anything in this country apart from consuming the goods that are available.

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Do you realize you imply
by Roger NC / April 17, 2004 5:30 AM PDT
In reply to: Not at all Mary...
I have nothing against you or any other American apart from those in power. But that goes for the people in power in the rest of the world too...

You imply you don't like anyone in power? I'm not saying you meant that exactly, but that's the impression it gives.

just have opinions about the current administration and about the world. I don't find Sweden's PM the perfect one.

I think we can all agree there is no perfect government. But few of us, even those present that truly dislike this administration, seem to find as much fault with everything ever done by the US as you have. Your opinion, your right, not disputing that. Just whether you realize it or not, intend to or not, you come across as finding fault with everything about US and wanting to radically change the entire nature of the US society.

Just impressions, and I don't think I'm the only one that gets the same.

RogerNC

click here to email semods4@yahoo.com
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Why shouldn't I?
by Angeline Booher / April 17, 2004 4:04 AM PDT

He was elected by the Swedish voters, and their decision should be respected.

It's not my place to make a judgment re: whether or not they made the wise one. I don't live there. I can't vote there.

Voters decide in a democracy.

Angeline
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

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Thankyou Angeline - well said NT
by SteveGargini / April 17, 2004 2:01 AM PDT
In reply to: C'mon, Charlie

NT

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Dear Angeline, An aside, but you are quite right when you say ...
by Mosonnow / April 17, 2004 3:53 AM PDT
In reply to: C'mon, Charlie
He has the courage to be resolute re: Iraq, a stance not popular with everyone and could lose him his office.

Many here were cross at the time, not because going to war was wrong, but because we were going to war (with inevitable human casualties on all sides) based on information that Tony Blair had which he did not share with us, nor even with our main opposition party. This, in a democracy intending to go to war to introduce democracy to the country in question. Hmmm.

He will of course lose office at some point, and the historians will allocate this decision into their reckoning. Meanwhile, questions continue to be raised (even aside from our domestic issues).

Regards
Mo
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Re:Dear Angeline, An aside, but you are quite right when you say ...

Hi, Mo,

No question that those who have experienced war do not have their heads in the clouds re: the seriousness of war.

I've lived through several US presidents, and I cannot think of one who did not experience strong opposition. I think they, and your Prime Ministers, all take office hoping to do good and serve the people well. The rub is that governing is quite complex, and there are no easy answers to what faces them. Probably a harder job than they espected. Happy

Most did a lot of good things or some good ones, , some did more than their share of bad things, and some just a few bad ones. Being successful in office seeking does not make them all-wise, Much depends on those on whom they depend for advice, and how they handle unforseen events. I also think there are times when they tell us all we know, but not all THEY know. Happy

Angeline
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

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Dear Angeline, Quite so: The test from here on in (IMO) is what...

our PM (Tony Blair) does - now knowing that some of his info - with hindsight - was perhaps not what he thought it was (assuming this is true, and you will know that I think this is true ).

As you say, the decisions of those in power have to be the right ones. Walking in their shoes? - Coo-er.

Regards
Mo

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After what you said about Ed O'Daniel, you call on other people to be "honest"?...Wheeew!!!
by Jack Ammann / April 17, 2004 1:48 AM PDT
In reply to: Be honest now Evie...

For which you have never apologized nor retracted.

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Evie is being honest with you Charlie and
by SteveGargini / April 17, 2004 1:55 AM PDT
In reply to: Be honest now Evie...

she is telling you in no uncertain terms what she
thinks of Kerry.
I find this sort of questioning aggressive and uncalled for. Infact it should be deleted from this thread, because you are calling Evie a liar.

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Really?
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / April 17, 2004 1:58 AM PDT
"... because you are calling Evie a liar. - Steve Gargini

Could you please link to the post where I call Evie a liar?
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