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Suspected Intentional Home Audio Interference

Jun 2, 2008 4:00AM PDT

Please read this and help me if you have any ideas.

I am experiencing suspected intentional interference in my home audio operation from a troublesome, highly technically knowledgeable neighbor and would like some advice on how to detect the source and hopefully how to stop it. I have 3 Onkyo TX8511 receivers on different floors of my house, with Onkyo DX-C390 CD players attached, along with 4 speakers, some with long leads, with each system.

FM radio reception with each system operates satisfactorily throughout the day until the neighbor comes home, and then at select times individual systems, or all of them, display periodic and repeated volume fade-out followed by a return to normal, brief and startling volume 5-fold increases, and sometimes volume from all systems ceases for up to 10 minutes at a time (so far).

I checked with my usual FM radio station and there is no problem with their broadcasting cutting out. I tried other stations and seemed to get similar results. I then reverted to using the CD players (instead of the FM tuners) which worked fine most of the time as well, but by the next day I again experienced the same select period interference - fading, volume increase, and silence, not in any regular order but always at similar times to the FM disruption. These episodes occur over extended periods mostly during weekday evenings to late night, and on weekends, always at specific times that would most upset my wife and me. I have reoriented my antennas numerous times, replaced speaker wires, and have even physically relocated the receiver/CD players to new locations on each floor several times, and to different AC outlets to no avail. I believe I have exhausted all normally expected explanations for these disruptions.

From a lengthy history, I have reason to believe that my neighbor could be using some type of signal generator or other device to purposely disrupt my audio systems to cause disruption and personal distress. His education, professional work experience and personal motivation would give him the knowledge, and access to necessary equipment, to undertake this. Our homes are separated by no more than 20 feet and both homes are of conventional wood frame construction. He is not a CB or shortwave radio enthusiast.

My limited knowledge tells me that this suspected signal transmission must focus on either the electronics within the receivers themselves, my electric power and the power cords to the units, or the speakers and wires from the receivers.

Anybody familiar with these Onkyo receivers, the spec sheet says that power output is 100 watts per channel with both channels driven from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, the frequency response is 20-30,000 Hz, and the FM tuner frequency response is 30-15,000 Hz. I am no expert on the relevance of these operating parameters but believe at least one of them will be significant to my predicament.

I provide these details because I would like to test for the presence of any spurious or normally unexpected signals being directed toward my house and these units that could be causing the repeated disruptions. I have a spectrum analyzer but need guidance as to what frequencies to monitor for that might be intentionally directed to, and could be causing these disruptions. Again, my neighbor is highly technically educated and trained and it is not beyond the realm of credibility that my suspicions are valid. Contact with the FCC has indicated that I will need to do my own detective work and locate the suspected illegal transmitter before they would take any action. I intend to pursue this until successful. Also, local authorities have little ability in this technical area but will be contacted for prosecution when my suspicions are substantiated.

I assume this is a unique problem not presented before on this forum. Please if you have any serious ideas, thinking out of the box from normal home audio disruption questions, please help me. My wife and I would be greatly appreciative for your positive suggestions and insights. Thanks.

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IF SOMEONE IS STEALING OR INTERFERRING WITH YOUR.........
Jun 17, 2008 2:29PM PDT

CABLE (COMCAST/COX/TIME-WARNER) OR DISH-TYPE SERVICE I'D CALL THE

LOCAL POLICE. STEALING CABLE OR DISRUPTING IT CARRIES A $10,000.00 A DAY FINE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

WHICH I THINK IS THE FCC's MAXIMUM PENALTY.

DO MORE INVESTIGATION BEFORE FILING CHARGES!


Best wishes,

RIVER.

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???
Jun 17, 2008 8:58PM PDT

How is this relevant in the least. Nothing has been mentioned about satellite or cable, or stealing of service.

Do you have any idea of what is going on here?

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WELL, TRUTHFULLY I DON'T ANYONE REALLY CARES............
Jun 28, 2008 8:34AM PDT

THE WHOLE THING IS BIT OFF THE WALL.........REALLY!


RIVER.

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Solution
Jun 18, 2008 12:52AM PDT

Usually I don't recommend physical threats, but I wonder if the interference would stop if you threaten to 'do' something to your neighbor if the problem doesn't stop.

No one messes with the alpha male.

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I agree.
Jun 18, 2008 1:05AM PDT

Honestly? I think you are just in a bad spot and are in a location where all your electronics are just going goofy on ya. You should find a 1-800 number for Roswell and have them come and look at your property.
I also agree with bearvp though. I don't think that puting the fear of God in someone is a crime. (If you do it right Happy)

grc

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exactly
Jun 18, 2008 1:38AM PDT

Usually if I have a neighbor that is pissing me off lately I'll decide to pack up my assault rifle and pistol to go shooting when they are outside so they can see my hardware. Usually they stop bothering me when they see the heat.

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Gosh, this sure brings out conspiracy plots & romanticized
Jun 18, 2008 1:48AM PDT

notions of militaristic violence. My city certainly has banned any civilian use of firearms within the city limits & we encompass well over 100 square miles of mostly empty desert. Deeply creased arroyos provide easy safety of aim as to ricochets, but the law is the law.

I'd suggest some knowledgeable survey of the premises by an electrician who knows well the consequences of oscilloscope examination. If your residence has particularly poor grounding, youy could be generating an enormous mass of elecrtrical "fuzz."

Shouldn't that sort of analysis be done before planning & plotting dire consequences which are way over the line?

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Of course...
Jun 19, 2008 4:07AM PDT

this is all in good fun. No ones serious. Except for the intial poster that can't enjoy his home entertainment. That sucks and is a very serious matter.

grc

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No one messes with the alpha male ?????
Jul 28, 2008 1:26PM PDT

Right, except for the police, courts and lawyers. The threat of physical violence to someone is for the braindead and not a way to a successful resolution

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Ask a ham for help
Jun 20, 2008 1:23PM PDT

Contact a local ham radio club, and maybe a member or two will come over and help you out in exchange for a donation to the club, or a pizza.

Or, get a very basic broadband signal detector (maybe sold as a bug detector), and see if the RF field strength goes up when your neighbor is around.

It could possibly be coincidence; radio waves travel much further at night, so it is possible that distant radio stations are causing interference with the ones you listen to. Because of that, radio stations are usually required to reduce power, so that could be another factor.

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having "fun" with HAM...
Jun 22, 2008 4:23AM PDT
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(NT) LOL...this is the most fun thread ever!
Jun 22, 2008 5:27AM PDT
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Another reply
Jun 24, 2008 5:37AM PDT

If my neighbor is in fact using a low power FM transmitter to overwhelm my FM reception, would I be seeing a high amplitude signal at the frequency I am trying to listen to (96.1 mhz) as I monitor with my spectrum analyzer and a scanner antenna, or would this jamming signal be appearing at some other frequency I need to look for? Again, I don't actually hear any other radio transmissions over my systems, just repetitious minor sound level reductions and returns to normal, sometimes most distressingly, extended total cut off, or occasionally a rapid spike in volume of the music I was listening to. These don't occur all day but only at select times coinciding with my neighbor's presence. Any further thoughts to help me zero-in on the most likely way my reception is being "attacked" - RF transmission, electrical power, other? Thanks.

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Reply
Jun 26, 2008 5:13AM PDT

Well there will be a spike at the frequency where the radio station is broadcasting, from the station itself. What you want to look for is, when you experience fading or total signal loss, if the spike at this frequency gets larger, or another spike occurs somewhere on the spectrum analyzer that coincides with the interference, then you can be fairly sure that it is an outside source which is causing the problem.

One thing before everyone gets too far, just because your neighbor may have something that is causing interference does not mean that it is intentional or that he is even aware of it. Plenty of devices are made with poor shielding these days and leak RF energy. Don't be too quick to condemn the guy. I know you mentioned haveing a "history" with him, but making accusations of intentional jamming won't help your relationship, especially if they aren't true.

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Has the cause been narrowed to RFI?
Jun 26, 2008 8:26PM PDT

I remember reading about problems with CD playback too. It seems unlikely that there would be much RF interference could do to that. Could it be some IR interference? Do the receivers have wireless remotes? I've had trouble with this in the past - in my case poorly designed "dim-able" (pulsing) CFL fixtures causing some previously well behaved electronics to "go nuts" with symptoms similar to trailuser's Not only would volume levels change - sometimes my TV would turn itself on ...at maximum volume! Covering the IR sensor stopped the seemingly spontaneous behavior - and of course made nothing controllable (grin) but at least it helped pinpoint the trouble.
I don't want to sidetrack the RFI discussion. I just want to be sure the IR remote issue is off the table before we gradually turn trailuser's home into a giant Faraday cage Happy

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I'm having a new neighbor problem, too.
Jul 12, 2008 6:07PM PDT

I have new neighbors and he is also a ham radio operator. We live up in the mountains in a rural town and since I only live up there seasonal I never got cable installed. So I have an antenna on my roof and I get probably 6 channels. And the first words out of his mouth when I met him was, "I hope I don't cause any interuptions with your TV, because I do ham radio". Since I know zilch about ham radio operation I didn't think much of it. Not until my outside motion detector lights kept coming on and staying on and my other neighbors lights would come on exactly the same time mine did. Also, every morning I blow dry my hair, well it seems that I have to hit the reset switch on the cord to make it work. I didn't think much about this either, but the other night I heard a noise coming from the bathroom and sure enough it was the electrical cord, reseting by itself. Weird! So now I have just begun to research and get myself familiar with this stuff, so that I can have solid printed out info to show him how his hobby is disrupting my appliances. And to prove how cocky this guy is, he installed his big giant pole, I guess it's the antenna maybe, on the other side of my fence and another one on his shed. Is this the stuff your referring to when you say that you need proof? Also, will my electric bill run higher because of this?

Thanks

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Reply to Jack9j
Jul 15, 2008 9:47PM PDT

How exactly is this guy being cocky? He saw your antenna and not only informed you that he was a ham radio operator but said that he hopes he doesn't cause you any interference. As far as having antennas in his yard, it is a requirement of the hobby. Would he also be cocky if he enjoyed motorcycles and had one or two in the yard?

One of the biggest problems with neighbors who are experiencing interference is that in many cases they will not say anything or do anything except get mad and talk behind the back of the person who is causing it. Your new neighbor already expressed his concern that he might cause interference for you, so go tell him what is happening. You can't expect it to stop if he doesn't know its occuring.

I am a ham and I have had the circuit breaker plugs like the one on your blow dryer buzz and trip when I transmit. I have not heard of the motion lights coming on, but it is certainly possible. The only thing that would run your electric bill up is if the lights are on all night.

Again, tell him. You don't need to assume he will be defensive or resistive to doing anything about it. You don't need to build a case against him. Just explain the problem to him and in all likelyhood he will be more than happy to work with you to fix the problems. Sometimes small filters can be put on appliances that experience problems, or simple things can be done which will make both people happy, for instance: You unplug your hair dryer when you aren't using it and he agrees not to transmit between 7 and 8am when you dry your hair. Sometimes reducing the power output of his radios or moving an antenna can solve the problems too.

If you have any questions, please post them. Also let us know how you make out with this problem.

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I also get radio interference
Jul 30, 2008 9:27PM PDT

Hi my neighbor has been around here longer than I. We are good friends in the past and I should have no problems talking to him. But I don't even know if it's his ham or my radio's. He has a huge tower and it used to interfere with the cable a long time ago, not now.I have 3 cars on a ford 95 aerostar(reception is perfect on am/fm), a 95 gmc safari(new radio bad reception on am)(seems to be coinciding with the engine and increases with the gas pedal being pushed) and my new car a 2003 hyuandi (am has interference and dosen't seem to coincide with the gas/ignition). I think I have three differnet situations here but can anyone point the cause/solution to me? thank you

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reply to Joecav654
Aug 26, 2008 2:43AM PDT

Remember, a tower in and of itself can't cause interference. It is the RF emitted from an antenna when your neighbor transmits which could potentially cause problems. This means that interference from your neighbor would occur for several seconds at a time separated by breaks where he would be listening to someone talking back to him. If your interference is constant and occurs almost all the time then its not your neighbor. (He won't be on the radio all the time)

The interference you hear with the Safari is definitely from the vehicle, probably electrical noise from the ignition coil and spark plug wires.

The Hundai could be from something in the vehicle but could be something external too. It could be something in your house causing the problem. I get terrible interference with a Belkin switch and its not even wireless.

Since very few people listen to AM radio anymore, car manufacturers may have gotten lax in the shielding which is required to keep interference out since it would only effect very few people.

Remember, unless it sounds like your listening to half of a conversation, it won't be someone on a ham radio.

Hope this helps.

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Aug 26, 2008 4:07AM PDT

for the 95 gmc safari w/ the new system, could be the battery is not big enough to power the car + the new system, the alternator could just be starting to go or the battery is just needs to be replaced (check the date on the battery they are normaly good for about 5-7 years). It could also be feedback from the cars electrical system, if it is that, you would have to talk to the installer.

for the 2003 hyuandi, mostliky just needs a better antenna

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A few things checked
Aug 30, 2008 1:05PM PDT

I checked a few things on the hyuandi. The battery reads 12.8v dc checked with a digital multimeter. and with the car running reads 13.5v dc. now I did some more detective work and there is one channel that comes in real clear. It is the one that is local. all other channels are interfierd with by something because the further away I get from my county the better am comes in. Any ideas?

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Reply to joecav654
Sep 22, 2008 1:57AM PDT

Farther away from your county? Thats probably a long way. This sounds less like interference and more like you are in a location that is for geographic reasons, not good for receiving broadcast radio stations. When you drive beyond your county, you are probably in a better location. This can be elevation and/or position relative to hills and mountains.

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Interference
Sep 22, 2008 3:19AM PDT

This may be the case. But also another car I have with a ford stock radio has not interference at all. Boy this is like an Algebra equation. lol

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sorry, no answers
Dec 17, 2009 7:04AM PST

i am also experiencing audio interference. i now realize that some of the equipment that is being interfered with (phone, and stereo receiver were either borrowed or bought from this pervert. this man has been or appeared to be my friend for many years. others told me that this man had something wierd for me. i am totally averaged looking and 50 for crying out loud. the degree to which he has slowly and subtly increased his access to me now has made me a nervous wreck. for a while i couldn't leave the house for fear of another break in or something strange happening. at least you are not alone. this reminds me of a time when i had a neighbor blast his stereo a 5:00am before i was up. he wouldnt stop. our rooms were across the fence from each other, so at 9:00 after he retired, i moved my stereo speakes outside pointed at his room, picked music i knew he would detest, aimed my motion sensored webcam at the fence, cranked it up and left for an hour. i never had the problem again. i have to leave the house now to try and calm down. i can no longer afford to move, have no proof, and am beginning to be very sad at the damage being done to my spirit as i feel such impotent rage akin to white hot hate. i will pray for you, though god doesn't seem to inclined to help me right now. good luck. will check your site later if computer still works.

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I finaly found this
Dec 18, 2009 6:59AM PST
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interference
Oct 5, 2010 11:49PM PDT

What exactly is the nature of this interference? Do you hear speaking, a pattern?

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paranoid
Oct 5, 2010 11:55PM PDT

Thinking this is intentional is way out there, what have you done to have this happen, guilty conscience, I doubt someone would intentionally do this.

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Pls check for * Radar * detectors on your street
Oct 7, 2010 11:48AM PDT

Radar signal jammers, radar detectors, left on in the neighbors cars, facing your home? These things used to wreck havoc with us when we installed Direct TV systems, and couldn't figure out why we weren't receiving any signal levels. The vehicle does not have to be pointed directly at your house either.

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interference
Aug 31, 2015 12:23PM PDT

My neighbor across the street is doing the same thing to me , not only does stereo fades out but he has put invisible lights , is pointing lasser at my house etc. Never had a problem with him , he has a cb radio , and is trying to zap my surveillance cameras , they the wires on my cameras

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Very interesting.
Sep 1, 2015 7:34AM PDT

Get all the evidences and report him to the police. People with ray gun is dangerous...and I bet he's loaded too.
By the way, how did you found out he also have invisible light as well?