Straight vs Gay

Roger,

I SO pleased you asked.

If you had been listening to as much "right wing talk radio" as I have been, particularly Bill O'Reilly, you would know that this move REALLY hinges on Disney's (the company, not Roy) stance as it pertains to gay days at at least one of it's theme parks.

Those pundits who say that this '04 election (for the High office) will hinge on the "gay issues" have it right.

Thank you for once again, as the case almost always seems to be with you, for attempting to call my hand.

I've now raised and you have now folded.

Tim

and the gay issue is just one of MANY disagreements and not even the most significant.

Your bluff has been called and those are two clubs you appear to think were spades to fill a flush. You should look over your hand closer.

as I said, your hand is worthless--mixed suits do not a winning flush make...

Better luck next time although attention to detail is more reliable than luck...

Talk cards all you want, I made a valid point and just because you don't wish to acknowledge same does not invalidate it because you never will allow yourself to concede hardly ANYTHING.

Have the last word because there is not point in arguing with one who will NEVER agree that they are wrong.

And you ARE wrong in this. Just wait till it all shakes out in the '04 elections and then come back and give me a supposed hard time.

but take out the ear plugs and you will gather more accurate information.

I hear just fine, thank you. Seems to me a few more of you should try listening more to the right wing talking heads on the radio and you might even tend to agree with me a tad here.

Not Gush Limbo, I'm talking Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage and Roger Fredinburg, to name those I know talk on this topic.

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Yup, in the brain of one who must not listen to enough right wing talk radio to know which way the proverbial wind is blowing. From the right, that is.

You and a gadZILLION other conservatives can SAY this is not ALL about the gay issue, but you folk are not being honest about this and you folks need to be told so.

Until you conservatives come out of YOUR closet and be honest about this, you will continue to lose in the court of public opinion.

Plain, "straight" folk, don't like liars anymore than any other groups of people.

you will find additional info you are completely ignoring.

No one is denying that it isn't a factor, just that it isn't even the most significant of MANY issues.

You tried, you lost, anti up and maybe if you pay attention you will do better next time.

Wrong. Just because you don't have your ear to the ground (right wing talk radio), does not mean my contention is wrong.

Just wait like I've said for the '04 election and I think you will find that once again you were off base.

even a springboard needs to be associated with a pool, tree, or hurdle.

Your own links had NOTHING to do with your misleading subject line and thus no association.

Wrong, that is.

I did not provide linkS.

Besides, I was expanding on what was provided and giving what I thought was insight into why the whole mess in the first place.

Don't tell me that SE has never had threads in the past that went off in unrelated areas and some possibly started off from main idea but still related as mine is?

Go to your first post and click on the link. When the page opens you will note at least one additional link to the subject of Disney.

That Tim is LINKS you provided.

You are splitting hairs. I provided ONE, read that ONE link:

Straight vs Gay

Roy Disney Exits Board, Asks Eisner to Go

Sunday November 30, 6:29 PM EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Walt Disney Co. Vice Chairman Roy Disney has left the company's board and is calling for Chairman and Chief Executive Michael Eisner to resign his posts, according to a report in the online edition of The Wall Street Journal.

In a three-page letter to Eisner, Roy Disney said, "It is my sincere belief that it is you who should be leaving and not me," the newspaper reported.

Disney cited a litany of complaints about Eisner's leadership, including the performance of ABC television and radio networks and Disney theme parks.

http://finance.myway.com/ht/nw/bus/20031130/hlm_bus-n30164763.html

What THEY provide is what THEY provide. Not me.

Hi, Tim.

I don't listen to right-wing talk radio, so I don't know what they have to say about this. But I've now read a couple of stories on it, and neither hints at any motivation such as you suggest, nor does Diseny's own letter -- (there's more of it in this story). So maybe right-wing radio is trying to find support for their position where none really exists?
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Even "right wing radio" does not dwell on the issue although it has been mentioned a time or two just as it was in the past in the New Your Times.

Tim is trying for his degree in ichthyology again.

Dave,

You REALLY don't expect the nephew of Walt Disney (was there a story out there that Walt was gay?) to come out and give the REAL reason why he is pulling this crap, do you?

Tim

Tim you're ignoring something, and it's something big. When Walt died, his brother, Roy O., took over. When Disney World opened, Disney was debt free. This led to a hostile takeover attempt and resulting tricks like poison pills and attempts to dilute the stock. Roy O. died eventually. Enter Roy E.
Eventually Eisner steered the company and he and Roy E. (the nephew) started butting heads even more. Recently, the stock price was way down and this head butting turned into virtual World War III in the boardroom.
Tim, that fight has been going on for a long time and your attempt to lay it at the feet of one thing that you carefully selected in a pollitical "campaign" totally ignores this bitter history between those two.

on something mentioned in passing he has to ignore a lot of things.

That is if he is even aware of any of them in the first place; sadly his contention supports this very lack of awareness.

I'm not ignoring that at all, despite what Ed would have you believe.

Did you know that this Disney RECRUITED and/or hired Eisner? Sounds like he made a goof, huh?

I still think when the truth comes out, in 70 or 80 years, my theory will be proven correct.

Tim

No Tim he didn't. He backed him during his power play but he was already an integral part of the Disney empire.

You make a lot of noise about listing to "right wing talk radio". Why listen so much to something you seem to stridently disagree with? or do you consider it intelligence gathering on the enemy?

Anyway, if you want to go from that article to some more to develop the idea of gay vs straight, I would have still considered it a bit misleading. Not insulting or anything, more like advertising one thing to get someone in a store then trying to sell them something else. Just slightly irritating.

But why after making the statement -

"...this move REALLY hinges on Disney's (the company, not Roy) stance as it pertains to gay days at at least one of it's theme parks." -

Why didn't you go on to discuss past news articles (with or without links) and discussions between politicians or different groups claims and stances?

Why just make a statment that isn't a natural follow up to the question and first post?

Regarding -

"Thank you for once again, as the case almost always seems to be with you, for attempting to call my hand."

I'm trying to decide exactly how to interpret this. Not sure I can find a way that isn't a bit derogatory. The statemnt that I'm always seem to be trying to call your hand comes across to me as an accusation I'm trying to prove you wrong. Maybe I misread it? I often if not normally disagree with you. But I was thinking I had kept all but a couple of replies on the subject of your posts.

On the other hand, if it actually pleases you that you can count on me to question something I find cryptic in you post so you can expound further or expand into a different area, hmmm, that is a bit disturbing to me also.

After considering all this, I wonder the advisability of interaction at all.

Interesting enough, Fox New Channel (on in the other room) is having a discussion on the war between the two men right now, and others are joining the battle it seems. A long discussion and different people giving their idea of what the fight is about.

So far, I haven't heard of a fight over gay rights. That doesn't mean it's not a factor, but it would seem to indicate it's not the overwhelming one.

roger

The use of the phrase "if not normally disagree with you" may be misleading.


Read the way it is written, it could be seen as claiming to not normally disagree. The intent of "often if not normally" was to indicate that we disagreed often, perhaps even normally disagreed.

I'm sure most realize this was the intent, but decided to try to avoid confusion.

roger

Roger,

I may not be as good at putting words together and conveying what it is that pings around in my head, but suffice it to say that if you, and others, had listened to a recent Bill O'Reilly radio program like I did, you might come away with a different opinion as to the SERIOUSNESS of the gay issue at at least one of Disney's theme parks.

If I must apologize now for getting you in the store under false advertising (IF that is what happened), I might find it within my heart to do so.

Perhaps the this gay issue is only big on talk radio.

BTW, the reasons why I listen to a LOT of right wing talk radio are many. I don't think I should bore the members with those reasons.

Keeping tab on "the other side" is ALWAYS a good thing in ALL warfare, is it not? This is not my main reason, but is one of the fun ones.

Make no mistake, it IS a war. And I don't mean this phony war on terrorism. And please spare me the 911 bit. That and a whole lot more go deeper than most Americans are aware of or would likely want to know about.

Tim

that at least I could mostly ignore the ones that I didn't feel were realistic, and respond carefully to the ones that were real issues (IMO, I admit) to question, debate, argue.

But it seems not.

I can understand the issue of keeping track of what the "other side" says. Even if I'm not very good at keeping track of most of the left/right proproganda

As to-

"Make no mistake, it IS a war. And I don't mean this phony war on terrorism. And please spare me the 911 bit. That and a whole lot more go deeper than most Americans are aware of or would likely want to know about."

Sigh, so the polarization of America continues, you're either left or right, no longer is there any room for individualism or understanding.

"Make no mistake, it IS a war. And I don't mean this phony war on terrorism."

It seems you mean a civil war from inference and hints. Dear Lord (whoever and whatever he/she/it may be) I'd hope not, but I'm afraid that is what many different fractions are considering even here in the United (former) States of America.

Spare you the 9-11 bit?

IT WAS AN ATTACK ON THE USA. NO IF'S, BUT'S, AND'S, OR'S.

Spare you the 9-11 bit?

IT WAS AN ATTACK ON THE USA. NO IF'S, BUT'S, AND'S, OR'S.

The reasons for it I guess are open to debate. The responses to certainly are open to debate. Who to blame? perhaps debatable. The fact of it? No debate, no question, no doubt, no excuse, WAR WAS DECLARED on the United States of America.

I don't agree with all this administration has done since then. I don't agree that everything done had been wrong. I'm sorry to antagonize those who refuse to accept the settlement of the 2004 election, but it was settle as best as it could be ACCORDING to the courts and the laws of our land at the time. Could things be improved? Undoubtedly.

Tim, while recognizing your passion in what you believe, I'm can't help but fear you as much as I fear others of the extreme opposite opinion. Extremism is probably the USA greatest enemy. Even as much and probably more than extreme Islam fanatics are our own fanatics (unwilling to talk, reason, and think) citizens and politicians.

I'm not stalking out with a grand promise to never respond to your posts, etc.

But as with one or two (or three or four, depending on how many are multiple incarnations of the same physical body) others, I see I must limit my participation in debates (and debacles) involving you.

Good luck Tim, I fear you need it to reconcile yourself and the rest of the world. Hold to your views, I'm not denying that right, but reconsider everyone that doesn't 100% agree being agents of the enemy.

roger