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Still trying to find that really good article on Greek

economy and their near refusal, or perhaps flat out refusal to make the cuts that are necessary for EU bailout. Greece is in total denial despite the Socialist Party trying to push for cuts, the people refuse to believe there's a crisis. Tax evasion is rampant at all levels, and no Greek is willing to accept responsibility for the crisis. Papandreou, who has spent time in jail when the Army took over in the 1970's, and subsequently was exiled to Canada where he taught economics at York University, is fighting against his own party over this, trying to make them swallow the bitter pill.

If Greece falls, then Ireland and Portugal will probably become insolvent as well, and this could create havoc not merely in Europe, but world wide. It was just this sort of domino effect that the Bush Obama Wall Street bail out averted. Now if Obama could just get his eye on the Unemployment/Infrastructure Problem, he might come up with a solution.

Meanwhile Germany is profoundly discontent as the strongest economy in Europe, and therefore potentially the bailer out of feckless economies. If Portugal is Socialist (I don't know what it is) and Ireland is Socialist, then I'll have to do some serious reflection, and genuflection to those who preach anti-Socialism, but Greece has always been peculiar. How the men sit around in cafes all day flicking their worry beads (a relic of the Ottoman take over) and the women seem to do all the work, I don't understand. But I was there 43 years ago, and something must have changed.

Rob

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Bumper sticker reply...FWIW

I'll need to paraphrase but was reading two different pieces that seemed to connect. One said that, historically, Greeks sought wisdom while others sought God. In another piece, someone noted that the folly of God is still far greater than the wisdom of man.

The later has a biblical reference that I'm sure Doug can pull up. Happy

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<i>Papandreou, who has spent time in jail when the Army took over in the
1970's, and subsequently was exiled to Canada where he taught economics
at York University, is fighting against his own party over this, trying
to make them swallow the bitter pill.

</i>I believe you are thinking of his father? George had a father named Andreas who was in power with PASOK party when I was living there. Andreas had a father named George. I still remember the election banners "Pfise gia PASOK, Pfise gia nea niki". At the time the Nea Demokratia party was about 35-40% of the electorate but mostly lost to the Socialist "PASOK" party which also got votes from the communist who were about 11% in the islands, less in Athens. Niki means "Victory" or as a name "Victoria" and that's the name we gave our first child born there.

If looking for a good article on Greece that's current, I ran across this one just today. She writes about the word "malaka" which had a specific meaning but is more generalized in it's application today, as it was in the 80's when I was there. Interestingly, in Russian there is a similar word, "Moloko" with different syllable stress which means "milk". I don't know if the origin of Malaka has anything in common with the Russian word, but knowing the one word and then learning the Greek word, I wondered if there might be some ancient connection.

Speaking of word meanings, you might be amused to now the same word is used in Greek to mean both "When?" and "Never", with just a change of stress between them.


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Perhaps you visted the Parthenon and saw the small temple of

Athena Niki, or Athena Nike in English, The Victorious Athena, famous for it's flame drapery and "wet-look drapery on the figures carved in relief. That's the reason for the name of the shoes (Nike) and a play on the name of Phil Knight who for all I know might be of Greek extraction.

And you're entirely right, it was daddy George who taught at York. Thank you for catching that and my apologies for my error.

I was thinking about this issue today while heaving boxes of books, and was going to mention that Greece is one of the places where there really still is a breathing Communist Party. The Communist Partisans took over much of Greece at the end of WW2 and wheeckling them out of there was a nasty brutal campaign on all three sides, the Anti Communist Greek Monarchists, the Greek Communists and the British.

The fact that the Communists continue to be such a strong influence in Greece is not good news for anyone.

Thank you very much James, I enjoyed that, though I fear my Greek isn't as good as yours, though I got the gist. It has been too long. My retirement was supposed to include another visit to Greece and Ionia which is that part of Turkey which faces the Aegean and was entirely Greek in Classical times until the Muslim invasions.

Rob

Did you ever call your daughter Nikki as a nick(duh)name. I knew a British couple there who called their daugher Victoria, but everybody called her Neekee.

Rob

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Nicole so it would be a more proper name on birth certificate, but that was to call her "Niki" (as in Nicky).

I've been to Syntagma Square, the King's Garden near it (they have cats there with special privileges), in front of the Parliament building (Zapeion?) and all over Glyfada area of Athens including Bobby's Bar before it was blown up, again afterwards to see the remodel. I'd considered making and selling some T-shirts saying "I got bombed at Bobby's Bar, Glyfada, Athens" but decided it would be in poor taste. Yes, been to Parthenon too. Didn't go to the virgin temple but could see the statues there. We traveled around there much as we had time to, such as a nice visit to Rhodes and the medieval castle, rented trailbikes and did the whole circle road around the island, climbed to the remains at Lindos. Here's a couple pictures of me at the Acropolis and looking over Athens from there. These are the only ones I've digitized, a task I've been putting off far too long.

http://glenburniemd.net/Greek_Athens_1985/Me_wife_MIL_Athens1985.jpg

http://glenburniemd.net/Greek_Athens_1985/Me_wife_MIL_Athens_1985_Acropolis.jpg

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