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Still no HD dvd recorder decks,...why?

Mar 6, 2009 12:04PM PST

I own three HD camcorders, two of which I've owned for a couple of years. I recently dropped a ton of money to be able to transfer my footage from these cams onto a blue ray dvd so that they can be viewed in high def. My present pc does not have the capability to produce blue ray high def so I purchased a new more powerful pc, had a blue ray writer installed in it, bought a blue ray player and software to edit my footage and I'm finally good to go, when all I wished I could've done was to buy a high def dvd recorder deck which does not as yet exist and I'm still not sure why. There are all of these other HD technologies on the market geared for HD, except a standalone HD dvd recorder deck. Can anyone explain to me why this is?

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No HiDef DVD Deck ...
Mar 6, 2009 2:39PM PST

I suppose if you have a HiDef DVD deck, you will need HiDef TV for it...and snce Blue Ray is now on the scene, manufacturers are pulled to that direction --but whether HiDef or Blue Ray, I suppose the market is not big enough to justify mass manufacturing to obtain economics of scale to keep prices affordable ... Anyway, do you really need Hi Def ? Most people's eyes are not good enough ....

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are we really talking about HD-DVD
Mar 7, 2009 1:46AM PST

HD-DVD have been dead for several months now, Blu-Ray won

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Not talking about HD-DVD,...
Mar 9, 2009 1:59AM PDT

I'm talking about a dvd recorder deck(blue ray)that you can hook up your high def camcorder to and download high def footage on a dvd and finalize it just like you can with the present dvd recorders on the market now, except in high definition. We have the technology to do this, why aren't they making one available to the public? That's my question.

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We have this today.
Mar 9, 2009 3:20AM PDT

Maybe your question is more about why the costs are not down to where DVD recording is?

Please. I decline to find the gear for you. But the gear you and I can buy tends to cost about as much as a small new car.
Bob

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Everything started in Japan....
Mar 10, 2009 7:53AM PDT

We probably will see the first few BluRay recorders in the US near the end of this year, but as Bob said, they won't be cheap (but not necessarily as expensive as a new car...) Wink

As of now, they have BluRay drives for computers.

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Really?
Mar 11, 2009 4:13AM PDT

First off, where did you get your information about this? I don't think you really know, but no offense because I've been asking this question for a long time now and I don't think anybody really knows the answer. I suppose I don't mind using my pc to download, edit and then burn a high def dvd from my cameras, I just wish there would've been a cheaper option, say like a long time ago.

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Sorry for my apparent lack of knowledge...
Mar 13, 2009 6:35AM PDT

I just used what has been published on the Internet that you and I use. Thanks, Boya, for the information to go along with that.

I feel your frustration. The US is definitely lagging in many sectors of technology. Just take a look at wireless phone service or even broadband internet for that matter. Japan and Europe are far more advanced in their technology. Also, Sony, Toshiba, Nokia, etc are all foreign companies, which I believe has a large impact on where the technology starts out... Wink In the US, what do we have... Microsoft and Apple? Silly

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You're right,...
Mar 14, 2009 4:06AM PDT

As far as Europe and Japan being ahead of us, I couldn't agree more. It seems that everything electronic that we get is what trickles down from what is created in Japan and we eventually get it a couple of years down the line. I've heard that they already have what's known as "super HD" which is supposed to be double the resolution of what our HD is or something. As to when we'll eventually get this technology is anybody's guess. I suppose a standalone blue ray HD dvd recorder will eventually hit the US markets, but it will be whenever the people over in Japan are good and ready to allow it.

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Money
Mar 11, 2009 2:19PM PDT

Remember that BR is Sony's HD format. Also remember that Sony is a major studio. Sony being Sony, I suspect they are overly fearful a stand alone BR recorder would be used to record HD off the air and somehow cost them movie sales. bta (but then again) we are talking about SONY, did mention the no bologna line?

fwiw (for what its worth)...am aware of copy protection embedded in broadcasts that do not allow certain DVD recorders to operate. However that is only on some movie channels and some brands of recorders. Did I mention no bologna?

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Hmmm,..could be.
Mar 11, 2009 3:41PM PDT

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for anyone to receive on-air channels on your pc by way of the internet? And if so, a lot of them would be high def channels just like from your cable company, right? Since I have a blue ray writer on my pc and if I was receiving cable stations on my pc through the internet, then technically I could download a high def movie on my hard drive and then burn it onto a blue ray dvd, right? This would then mean that I already have the capablility of copying a movie in high def onto a dvd, the very thing that you said Sony doesn't want. If I already have the ability to do this and Sony knows that the consumer has this ability, why would they be worried about coming out with a high def dvd recorder that could do the same thing? I think there's more to this story than we know, but I'll admit I could be wrong in my opinions.

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Could Be
Mar 12, 2009 2:31AM PDT

Sony controls hardware for video, they do not control hardware for computers, Intel and Microsoft garner that laurel. And as you said in your OP, the BRPC set you back some. I suspect that eventually the dam will bust and there will be stand alone BR recorders that are somewhat reasonably priced. However, those who have interest in movie royalties will do what they can to delay such a thing fearing lost movie sales. IMO, their fear is debatable.

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There is one, but better you use an HD recorder
Mar 14, 2009 1:18AM PDT

There is one by SAMSUNG you find at http://www.cdiscount.co.uk/SoundVisionandSatNav/DVDHomeCinema/DVDPlayers/samsung-dvd-sr275-hd-1080p-upscaling-dvd-recorder/f-421-178911.html?refer=KEL&cm_mmc=KEL-_-DVD%20players-_-DVD%20Players-_-Samsung%20DVD-SR275%20HD%201080p%20Upscaling%20DVD%20Recorder&tduid=7ac98a080e8b497c60690371394cd543 and even more if you look up at Google Base: http://base.google.com/base/s2?q=HD-DVD+recorder , however, you should better use a HD recorder which records on a hard drive so that you don't need to throw away all the disks which you missrecorded or on which you recorded a film you no longer need. If you have to use an expensive HD-DVD or Bluray disk, the reason becomes even more important. Although HD-DVD seems to be out of current trend, the disks are still expensive.

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Ummmmm
Mar 14, 2009 6:57AM PDT

That does not seem to be a HD (high definition) DVD recorder. It is certainly not a HD-DVD format player or recorder, possibly the specs are confusing. From what I can make out it uses SDVD disks. IT does UPSCALE to 1080 lines of resolution on playback. I don't have a problem with the idea of upscaling a standard DVD, but is is still a standard DVD. Thought you wanted a High Definition BR or other HD format recorder (whatever that would be).

Did I miss something?

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I did, not him,...
Mar 14, 2009 9:54AM PDT

I wanted a blue ray recorder, not 126lives. He was just suggesting a possible option for me, but I wouldn't try to buy something that has been discontinued from being manufactured.