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sraelis urge U.S. to stop Iran's nuke goals

Sep 30, 2005 12:33PM PDT

The United States and its allies must act to stop Iran's nuclear programs -- by force if necessary -- because conventional diplomacy will not work, three senior Israeli lawmakers from across the political spectrum warned yesterday.
As a last resort, they said, Israel itself would act unilaterally to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear arms.
Iran will not be deterred "by anything short of a threat of force," said Arieh Eldad, a member of Israel's right-wing National Union Party, part of a delegation of Knesset members visiting Washington this week.
"They won't be stopped unless they are convinced their programs will be destroyed if they continue," he said.
Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said the best hope was for the

and iseral has the balls to do it alone

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Yep, that's just what we need, another war.
Sep 30, 2005 12:53PM PDT

That should finally do us in.

Sad

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they did it b4
Sep 30, 2005 1:11PM PDT

and you go make nice nice with them

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it won't do you in xerpor
Sep 30, 2005 3:38PM PDT

but my *** is sure on the line somewhere in the future with that eye-rainien meglomaniac in charge Sad

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Sorry, Jonah.
Sep 30, 2005 4:05PM PDT

I'm aware and appreciate your position.

Sad

However I can't quite forget the same hype about Saddam Hussein and WMD, there was so much ''proof'' too. If we invade Iran will we ''own'' the Iranians too and be responsible for their well being?

Right now we seem to have our hands full just trying to take care of the Iraqis and our own survivers of two devastating hurricanes. And we aren't doing too good job of it either.
Sad

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says you
Sep 30, 2005 8:58PM PDT

but then again your the know it all from experiance.
if you tell the lie enough you beleave the lie.

WMD were there but the bed wetters stalled enough to give time to remove same.

or was the un, france, germany et al, all wrong when they said sadam had and used wmd?

hopefully iseral or us wont make same mistake again and rely on the UN to do anything besides screw us

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hopefully us wont make same mistake again
Sep 30, 2005 11:19PM PDT

I hope so to. Get good intelligence before making a move.

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we know where they are
Oct 1, 2005 3:13AM PDT

and your right we shouldnt wait for the worlds other bed wetters to say go.
not like sadam was given 12 yrs to hide his wmds.

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Response
Oct 1, 2005 3:40AM PDT

sadam was given 12 yrs to hide his wmds

sadam was given 12 yrs to hide his wmds

sadam was given 12 yrs to hide his wmds

sadam was given 12 yrs to hide his wmds.

As you said

if you tell the lie enough you beleave the lie.

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and how long did the un wait?
Oct 1, 2005 3:58AM PDT

12 yrs of bed wetters saying toe the line.

try to relize your wrong as usual.

you should rember it was 12 yrs of the un sanctions which never worked, just because France, ussr,germanys ignoring sanctions.
and some people who cant see past there blinders watch where you step its hard to see ,your apt to bite your foot

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Have you not learned anything here in SE
Oct 1, 2005 4:22AM PDT

with all the posts made about it over the past few years?

Saddam USED WMD to kill....that is FACT.

He let the entire world believe he still had plenty left to use in order to intimidate.......FACT

The UN was bounced around like puppets by Saddam for 12 years during 'inspections' (when he wasn't throwing them out of the country)......FACT

There was no reason for the entire world to believe they weren't still there........FACT

Saddam played with the world for 12 years which gave him plenty of time to little by little shuffle the stuff out of his country............FACT

Where they ended up is anybody's guess now.......FACT

But...if the WMD got whisked away like the airforce Saddam had to Iran with the understanding that when all was said and done, Iran would send them back (which they didn't do and Saddam became a laughing stock over that move), then wherever the WMD is located now will NOT be coming back to Saddam any time soon..........FACT

Trying to figure out who you think was really lying all along? The world, the UN, Saddam.......or just Bush and his advisors?

TONI

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Have you not learned anything here in SE
Oct 1, 2005 5:02AM PDT

Yes, nobody is going to change anyone's mind

and if you do get them to change their mind they probably won't admit it. Wink


FACT.....Saddam was playing head games

FACT....He was given 12 years to abuse Oil for Food program

FACT...His WMD program was non-existent, as in ''dis-repair''.

FACT....Bad Intelligence led many to believe he had wmd

FACT...Saddam was not stupid, if the world thinks he has some ''bad weapons'' he is not going to tell anyone any different. (would you, if you were in his place?) This is cheaper than having to pay for the weapons. If you can keep your enemies at bay with just a rumour.

FACT...WMD was one of the points brought up for liberating Iraq

Who was lying? I think Saddam was lying.

And I also think some of the intelligence that was gathered, was purposely presented in such a way that it would influence other countries that Saddam was still capable of produced wmd.

All parties had a motive for what they did.

Saddam was wrong for gassing all those people and invading Kuwait, The rest of the 'civilized'' world was wrong for abusing the ''oil for Food'' (they all knew what was going on), can't pin it all on Saddam. He didn't sell the oil to himself.

Speaking of wmd, how can a person prove they don't have something? If you looked everyplace and still didn't find it you could still say ''you're hiding it somewhere''

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Oooooohhhhhhhhh....in a nutshell, and YOUR words to boot
Oct 1, 2005 5:22AM PDT

>>>>>Speaking of wmd, how can a person prove they don't have something? If you looked everyplace and still didn't find it you could still say ''you're hiding it somewhere''>>>>>

The FACT is that the UN Inspectors DIDN'T look everywhere....mainly because Saddam either tossed them out of the country or refused to let them look where they wanted to and also made sure that all Iraqi officials who dealt with the Inspectors were never left alone with the Inspectors in order to possibly pass along information that Saddam didn't want the Inspectors to have (had his Royal Army always within earshot).

You 'prove' you don't have something by allowing the search....not by dictating where the search takes place, if at all.

TONI

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so jp saddam didnt gas the kurds?
Oct 1, 2005 6:42AM PDT

now wonder you dont see the facts your blind to the truth.

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(NT) (NT) Since when do you sympathize with the Kurds?
Oct 1, 2005 10:20AM PDT
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for the kurds allways
Oct 1, 2005 10:31AM PDT

for your bleeding hearts who would let him continue never wish your kind would have opened up your mouths when sadam did that instead of hellping the terrriost as your kind have done and still are doing

you and cindy sheenan bird of a feather

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you dont see the facts
Oct 1, 2005 11:08AM PDT

And you didn't read my post

Saddam was wrong for gassing all those people

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On top of that
Oct 1, 2005 11:13AM PDT

with the support of the "greatest nation in the world" according to Mark.

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but you and others didnt raise a voice in
Oct 1, 2005 11:14AM PDT

outrage. but when we removed saddam your biotching is heard all over why?

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A question Mark.
Oct 1, 2005 7:53AM PDT

What is your goal [what you hope for] when it comes to the missle east/Israeli conflict?

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that finally Israel does whats needed to remove
Oct 1, 2005 9:59AM PDT

the nuke threat from those "peaceful" Iranians the same scum that took our hostages.

they will or we will remove said treat.
so stop wetting the bed and cowering in the corner other powers will protect your kind yet again

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And that's it?
Oct 1, 2005 10:19AM PDT

"that finally Israel does whats needed to remove the nuke threat from those "peaceful" Iranians the same scum that took our hostages."

And you know there is a threat? How would you eliminate that threat? And how ould you (if it is your intention)restore peace in the region?

Finally I don't know why you keep talking about wetting the bed. Is that something that yo uhave experienced yourself? You have mentioned it in three posts here I think and seem obsessive with it.

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your the one wringing there hands
Oct 1, 2005 10:54AM PDT

alike a destrubed bed wetter.

how very easy to use guided weapons to blast the sites.
and as to peace in iran screw them let them fight each other to death iseral wont be harmed

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Once more bed wetter.
Oct 1, 2005 11:11AM PDT

"and as to peace in iran screw them"

In other words, you don't give a rat's *** about peace in the region?

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