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Rant

Sprint Representative Ignoring Me and Refusing to Unlock

Jan 22, 2014 5:21AM PST

Sprint: We received your information and will connect you with a Chat Specialist soon.
Rachel T: Thank you for contacting Sprint, my name is Rachel T. I am happy to help you today.
You: Hi Rachel
Rachel T: Hello William!
Rachel T: Please give me a moment to review your account.
You: no problem Happy than kyou
Rachel T: You are welcome.
Rachel T: As I understand you right, you would like to unlock your iPhone, am I right?
You: Correct
Rachel T: Ok.
Rachel T: Thank you for waiting.
You: no problem, thank you for helping Happy
Rachel T: You are welcome.
Rachel T: William, I have checked the details for you in this regard.
Rachel T: We are from Sprint. And technically we are not able to unlock the iPhones for domestic use.
Rachel T: You can visit the nearby Apple store for it.
Rachel T: We have a dedicated international department to help you with unlocking the iPhone.
Rachel T: You can contact them for International Roaming ? Dial 888.226.7212, option 2. Available 24 Hours a Day, 7 Days a Week .
You: The CTIA responded Thursday agreeing to adopt a voluntary commitment to unlocking consumer cellphones. In a statement accompanying the letter, the CTIA said in part:

We are pleased to announce AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, U.S. Cellular and Verizon Wireless agreed to adopt a voluntary set of six principles for unlocking of consumers' mobile phones and tablets.

U.S. wireless carriers have agreed to six principles regarding unlocking cellphones and tablets.

Disclosure: Each carrier will have to explain its policy on unlocking clearly and concisely on its website.

Prepaid Unlocking Policy: Carriers will unlock prepaid mobile devices upon request, no later than one year after the initial activation.

Postpaid Unlocking Policy: Carriers will unlock or provide necessary information to unlock their devices to customers and former customers after the completion of a service contract, device financing plan or the payment of an early termination fee.

Notice: Carriers that lock devices have to notify customers that they are eligible to unlock their devices when eligibility occurs or will automatically unlock devices remotely when they are eligible.

Response Time: Carriers will unlock eligible devices within two business days of receiving a request.

Deployed Personnel Unlocking Policy: Carriers will unlock mobile devices for deployed military personnel for customers in good standing.
Rachel T: I wish I could unlock the phone, but we are not equipped to unlock the iPhones.
You: So according to the CTIA and FCC Sprint has adopted a policy as per law to provide unlocking instructions after completion of contract
Rachel T: You need to contact Apple for it.
You: before I go any further, I would just like to verify, you are telling me Sprint will not comply with assisting me in unlocking my phone ?
Rachel T: I know your time is valuable and I would like to assist you in resolving any questions you have. Would you like to continue chatting with me today?
You: I asked a question.
You: I read a FAQ on Sprints website that states I am to ask about unlocking my phone
You: CTIA passed an Unlock Ban law that says the devices are ours, and Sprint complied
You: are you telling me you are unable to assist me with the unlocking of my phone?
You: or unwilling to instruct me with the proper information on how to do so
You: FYI there is legislation in place stating that you must comply
You: effective Dec 12
You: 2013
Rachel T: I haven't received a response from you so I will be disconnecting our chat. If you require additional assistance, please visit sprint.com. Thank you for your business. You'll receive an email transcript of our chat after the session ends.
You: So you are ignoring me?
You: I will be filing a complaint with this log
You: Why are you not responding?
Rachel T: To save a hard copy of this chat, press the print button at the top of the chat window.
You: no thank you
You: i am still awaiting response
You: that closes my chat window as you are fully aware
You: is there a reason you are unwilling to answer my questions?
Rachel T: I can see that you're still typing. Do you have any questions that I can answer?
You: How do I unlock my phone that has completed contract and under CTIA guidelines Sprint has agreed to allow me to unlock?


At this point the Representative terminated my session.

Discussion is locked

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But this sounds like CDMA and not GSM.
Jan 22, 2014 6:00AM PST

Let's hear from Pepe7 but on CDMA it's flashed to your new carrier and your new carrier should be able to accommodate that. Sprint is not involved in any of the steps.
Bob

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Exactly
Jan 22, 2014 10:08AM PST

And it's because the OP is referring to a hybrid CDMA/GSM device that probably throws a wrench in the plan. My gut feeling is that this particular handset may be grandfathered (or considered an 'exception') and not subject to this voluntary process by the carriers. Admittedly though, I am the least familiar with Sprint's policies/hardware since they are low man on the totem pole per se. It was hard enough dealing with all the other carriers/hardware to have to also deal w/ the walkie talkie Nextel crowd Wink.

Hmmm....I wonder if this 'voluntary' system forces another CDMA carrier to accept a 'flashed' device if that were to happen(?)

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I re-read the top post and
Jan 23, 2014 1:52AM PST

Can't nail down what exact model it is. There are those hybrids and for a time Cricket in this area would just flash it to their system and no one would talk to Sprint. That was last year so probably out of date info.
Bob

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You are asking something they cannot do for you....
Jan 22, 2014 6:18AM PST

It doesn't matter how mad you are about it, but even if an agreement did come about Tuesday, it is:

a) voluntary, as you described
b) not immediately implemented.

You are having unrealistic expectations and it takes weeks or months for new policies such as this to be passed on to CS reps. It does take time to implement and not going to be available immediately. In addition, being difficult with any CS rep will be met with a cold shoulder and less willingness to be of help every time. Don't bother trying to shop for a different CS rep at this point. Give it time to be implemented and re-submit your request at that time.

As a former CS rep for a cellular carrier myself, I assure you that trying to tell a rep how to do their job like you did in your chat is like talking to a brick wall and will get you nowhere.

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While the years passed it used to be
Jan 22, 2014 6:48AM PST

That you would take the phone to the carrier that you are going to and they would flash it to the new carrier. Unlike GSM, no unlock required. I wonder if folk know about this area? Or even care.
Bob

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unlocking the phone to transfer to a diferent carrier
Feb 25, 2014 9:46AM PST

so is there a way to take your own equipment to another carrier or not? The All-American way is to make things as difficult for the consumer as possible which ensures that there is a buck to strip from us to attain a profit in my opinion.

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In your case?
Feb 25, 2014 10:01AM PST

I'm going to write no. While I could take it to my new carrier to figure it out you seem stuck in some position and can't move.
Bob

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Unlocking used legitimate smartphones - what a hassle
Feb 25, 2014 9:40AM PST

I recently purchased a used legitimate Motorola razor m to use to test the signal quality as where I have recently moved to an area where the at & t service is lousy. As my livelihood depends on being able to receive/make calls for work, this is paramount. The establishment that sold me the used phone did not communicate that the razor could only be activated with a Verizon contract and I ended up having to buy another phone that is of poor smartphone quality. I have a friend who is currently under contact with AT & T but is not able to utilize an upgrade to replace the galaxy s-3 that he dropped and broke and doesn't have the $200 AT & T requires to replace it with the "insurance". I am not ready to sign a 2 yr service agreement with Verizon at this point. That being said, since I cant use the razor, maybe my friend can. Its denial denial, denial. Roadblock, roadblock, roadblock. Does anyone have any input on this matter? By the time the classaction lawsuit for infringing on our rights rolls thru, well, you know what I mean. I need resolution now not in five yrs.

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You've been had.
Feb 25, 2014 10:15AM PST
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Unlock the phone
Feb 26, 2014 2:09AM PST

Ok Bob. Since it appears that you have knowledge in this arena where as I do not, do tell. How does the average consumer determine which type (CDMA vs. GSM) of set up a phone has? Can an individual change this aspect within a phone? If it is possible, can you, oh guru Bob, tell me how to do it? AT & T says I need the unlock info from Verizon before my friend can use it thru his AT & T contract. What is this verbage about flashing? Because I moved Bob, moved right to the AT & T store and they didn't mention flashing. He did explain that AT & T charges $15 bucks to unlock an AT & T phone to that a consumer can switch to a different service provider and continue to utilize their existing equipment.

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How we figure that out.
Feb 26, 2014 3:15AM PST

The full make/model of the phone usually is enough for OTHERS to sniff out what the phone is.

You asked a lot of questions in your post so when you do that, number them to keep questions with answers.

No as to changing a CDMA to GSM and back (without replacing the phone.)

What is flashing? In the case of any CDMA phones that's how the new carrier puts it on their CDMA network. No unlocking required. Can really confuse those that are demanding an unlock and well, no unlock required here.

I can't guess why we would expect an ATT store employee to know CDMA since they don't have such a network or sell such a thing.
Bob

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Who is your current carrier?
Feb 25, 2014 12:04PM PST

*Which* version of the RAZR M did you obtain? As Bob hinted, if it's a CDMA phone, he should be able to activate it w/ Verizon w/ no problem.

That said, if you don't want contracts, why not look into Prepaid/MVNOs? It's a lot better than it used to be.

FWIW, a couple years agao my homeowners insurance policy replaced a smartphone a family member dropped into the toilet. The deductible was either $50 or $75, much less than what ATT wanted. For most, the cost of insurance rarely pays off if you throw in the high smartphone deductible. It can often be cheaper to simply add a line and receive a fully subsidized (new) phone. YMMV.

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Unlock my phone
Feb 26, 2014 2:17AM PST

As an average consumer, I feel technically challenged to begin with. To the novice, Motorola Razor M is where it ends. Either this info that you suggest is kept from the people that we typically deal with either in a retail store or on the phone with customer service or technical support or they are very well trained not to reveal this deep dark secret. What is it beyond 'M' that indicates what you need to know and where is this info located on the phone so that I can share it with the world

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You sound rather smug
Feb 26, 2014 5:12AM PST

Instead of going the smug route, why not pull up a chair? I'm fairly certain you have encountered more detailed serial & model numbers of a particular electronics product at least once in your lifetime.

If you open up the battery compartment, you should be able to see some numbers/codes/info listed there underneath the battery. This will narrow it down since quite often (especially with the RAZR line of handsets), there are a myriad of different types, some only compatible with carriers using a certain type of technology. In the United States/North America, the two different technologies are often *generically* referred to as GSM (ATT & T-Mobile) vs CDMA (Verizon, US Cellular & Sprint). The same handset can sometimes be released w/ multiple versions. But more often than not, you can't use one type of carrier's phone on another's network due to that difference in technology. And some handsets/carriers have elements of both technologies under the hood, further complicating the matter.

The following may be your phone if it's the Verizon issued RAZR M-
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_razr_m-4973.php

But there's also at least one int'l version of this phone that won't work on Verizon's network, but could work on ATT's if it's unlocked. So as you can see, we need more specifics from you on what actual hardware you are working with.
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Gotta agree with Pepe7
Feb 26, 2014 5:20AM PST

You have to do a little work yourself to get help here. We can't reach out through the internet and solve your issue without more information. I assure you that the model information is available in the settings menu and without that you will remain stuck.

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Worth reading.
Feb 26, 2014 5:36AM PST