Speeding up computer, suggestions needed

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Thoughts

by Yew Aug 29, 2005 8:26AM PDT

First, get rid of VirusScan in favor of something else. That is the biggest CPU hog I have seen in some time, and is probably half your problem. I like AVG Free myself, for a virus scanner, but decide for yourself.

Second, you want at least 128MB of RAM, if not 256MB with Win98. Sadly, 64MB just isn't enough if you're running some more modern apps. Use a site like Crucial to figure out what kind of memory you need, but my guess would be plain SDRAM.

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Thoughts appreciated,

by shaner7575 Aug 29, 2005 8:47AM PDT

I've been using McAfee since I bought the computer in 2000, and have been contemplating changing. I do notice a lot of times when I download a newer dat, the computer sometimes reacts differently until a new dat comes out, usually the next day.
That would also mean changing my firewall as well.

Instead of adding memory, we've been looking around and pricing systems; which are really coming down in price.
Won't be able to consider one until Income Tax time, that's why I wanted to try and make my "flintstone" a little faster in the meantime.

I hate the thought of trying to get McAfee "completely" off my computer, since I remember the nightmares of upgrading their programs. I think I've installed and reinstalled McAfee more than installing all the programs I have accumalated during the years.

Thanks for your suggestions, and I will be considering them.

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RE: Faster PC w/ Win-98.

by Gerry Hemming Sep 22, 2005 8:36AM PDT

You might consider downloading a FREE temp files clean-up utility. Google "BeClean" and go to their website and download "BeClean". My Bro' is a PC re-builder & Guru and Ifollowed his suggestion and almost daily am deleting an average of 100+ temps that have somehow inserted themselves on my HD.

The first time I used it, I found and deleted 1754 temp and other junk files. I continue to use it on a daily basis. BTW, it is a small-sized download, and be sure to temporarily turn of McAfee Virus Hunter before the download. [right-click on the toolbar logo, and hit the "disable" button.

GPH - anintermediate skilled user.
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RAM

by hoboso Sep 11, 2005 2:30AM PDT

You will definitely experience more PC speed with an increase in RAM megs - the more the better, especially
since it is so much less expensive than it was several years ago. So, hop to it and get more RAM!

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Yep, More RAM Would Increase Speed...

by Grif Thomas Former Forum moderator Aug 29, 2005 8:46AM PDT

...of application handling on the computer. Go as much as your pocketbook could afford up to 512 MB of the older PC100 memory, although in your case, 256 MB would certainly show a marked increase.

Here's a link to your model's specifications:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?dlc=en&lc=en&product=94462&dest_page=product&cc=us&docname=c00013978

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Thanks for info

by shaner7575 Aug 29, 2005 8:56AM PDT

As you probably seen, I only have a CD rom, which my son has been bugging me to "get real", and buy a new computer system. By the time I get more memory, and all the extras "he" says he "needs", I would be out a lot of moolah, and then my luck my computer would bite the dust!

Guess I'll just adjust to the slowness, until income tax time, or find a good deal on 12 months no interest!

Then I'll be back trying to get my new one configured!!

Thanks again,
Judy

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Why buy

by b8375629 Sep 12, 2005 9:47AM PDT

If your computer is working fine (except for the shortage of memory) then why spend $750 - $1,000 plus on a new system when for $200 - $250 you can just add the RAM and get a couple of more years out of your present machine?

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Your Suggestion

by jeson-mendez Aug 29, 2005 5:51PM PDT

The following information applies to Internet Explorer 5.0 through Internet Explorer 6.0x and Netscape Browser 4.7x through 8.01x. Whenever you access the internet, a running record of visited sites are stored in various directories on your computer. It makes your computer run slow. Internet browsers store this information so that when you re-visit a site again, the pages will load faster. For instance, a typical internet page will contain a few graphics images that cause you to wait until the page fully loads. While the page is loading, your internet browser is copying information concerning those images to temporary directories on your hard drive. Now if you were to re-visit a sight the next day, you will notice that the pages do not take as long to load. This is definitely a useful feature, but these temporary files can cause problems if they accumulate over a long period of time. Therefore, this technical brief will show you how to perform a basic clean up of these temporary areas of your drive.

Internet Explorer 5.0 through Internet Explorer 6.0

Internet Explorer primarily stores its temporary information within the C:\Windows\History folder and the C:\Windows\Temporary Internet Files folder. The History folder keeps a running, day by day, record of the sites you visit and is initially programmed by Microsoft to do so for a twenty day period. The Temporary Internet Files folder speaks for itself and was discussed earlier. Both the temporary folder and the History folder settings can be addressed within the Internet Explorer program itself. The procedure is as follows:
For Windows 98
Open up the Internet Explorer browser in the manner that you usually do.

You can double click on the Internet Explorer icon that Microsoft adds to your Desktop.

Then click on the word Tools, which is contained in your top tool bar area.

This will pull down a menu for you to now click on Internet Options.

In the center of the screen, click on the button entitled Delete Files.

Windows will ask if you want Delete all files in the Temporary Internet Files folder.

You can place a check mark next to Delete all offline content to remove locally stored content.

When you are satisfied with your selection, click on the OK button to delete these Temp files.

This action will free up a decent amount of the Temporary Internet files on your system.

Now move down to the History section at the bottom area of the screen.

Then click on the Clear History button to clear out your recently visited page links.

When Windows asks if you want to Delete all items in your history Folder, click on OK.

Notice that there is an adjustment next to Days to keep pages in history:.

Adjust this setting to your personal preference. 5 - 7 days is usually sufficient for History links.

Then click on the Ok button to save your changes and exit the Internet Options Window.

For Windows Millennium
Open up the Internet Explorer browser in the manner that you usually do.

You can double click on the Internet Explorer icon that Microsoft adds to your Desktop.

Then click on the word Tools, which is contained in your top tool bar area.

This will pull down a menu for you to now click on Internet Options.

In the center of the screen, click on the button entitled Delete Files.

Windows will ask if you want Delete all files in the Temporary Internet Files folder.

You can place a check mark next to Delete all offline content to remove locally stored content.

When you are satisfied with your selection, click on the OK button to delete these Temp files.

This action will free up a decent amount of the Temporary Internet files on your system.

Now move down to the History section at the bottom area of the screen.

Then click on the Clear History button to clear out your recently visited page links.

When Windows asks if you want to Delete your history of visited Web sites, click on Yes.

Notice that there is an adjustment next to Days to keep pages in history:.

Adjust this setting to your personal preference. 5 - 7 days is usually sufficient for History links.

Then click on the Ok button to save your changes and exit the Internet Options Window.

For Windows XP With Internet Explorer 6.0

Internet Explorer 6.0 now includes the new Delete Cookies button within its Internet Options window and its Delete Files button does a better job of really wiping out the Temporary Internet Files.
Open up the Internet Explorer browser in the manner that you usually do.

You can double click on the Internet Explorer icon that Microsoft adds to your Desktop.

Then you click on the word Tools, which is contained in your top tool bar area.

This will pull down a menu for you to now click on Internet Options.

In the center of the screen, click on the button entitled Delete Files.

Windows will ask if you want Delete all files in the Temporary Internet Files folder.

You can place a check mark next to Delete all offline content to remove locally stored content.

When you are satisfied with your selection, click on the OK button to delete these Temp files.

This action will free up a decent amount of the Temporary Internet files on your system.

Now click on the newly added button entitled Delete Cookies.

Windows will ask if you want Delete all cookies in the Temporary Internet Files folder.

Click on the OK button to have Windows delete all of these Cookie files for you.

Now click on the Clear History button to clear out your recently visited page links.

When Windows asks if you want to Delete your history of visited Web sites, click on Yes.

Notice that there is an adjustment next to Days to keep pages in history:.

Adjust this setting to your personal preference. 5 - 7 days is usually sufficient for History links.

Then click on the Ok button to save your changes and exit the Internet Options Window.

Netscape Browser 6.2 through 8.0

Netscape Browser also uses temporary folders for keeping track of temporary files and history links. These directories are kept separate from the ones mentioned above for Internet Explorer. The procedure for cleaning up Netscape Communicator is as follows.
Open up Netscape in the manner that you usually do.

You can also click on the Start Button, then click on Programs.

Then click on the Netscape folder and then click on your Netscape version icon.

After Netscape loads, click on the word Edit contained in your top tool bar area.

This will pull down a menu for you to now click on Preferences.

For Netscape 6 double click on the word Navigator in the Category section to expand it.

For Netscape 7 and above, this Category section will already be expanded by default.

Then click on the word History in the Category section to display its properties settings.

Now click on the Clear History button to clear your recently visited page links.

Within that section, it also states: Remember visited pages for the last X days.

Adjust this setting to your personal preference. 5 - 7 days is usually sufficient for History links.

Now go back to Category section on the left and double click on the word Advanced.

This will expand that section and enable you to click on the word Cache.

Over to the right, you will see two buttons: Clear Memory Cache and Clear Disk Cache.

Click on both buttons to delete all your Temporary Internet files stored by Netscape.

Then click on the OK button to save your changes and exit the Preferences properties window.

Do this things and see how fast your computer will be!!

Or you can also delete Temporary Internet Files by going to C:\Documents and Settings\xxxuser\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files. Replace xxxuser to your username of your computer. From C:\Documents and Settings\xxxuser\Local Settings\ You can also delete files from temp folder and history folder. If you don't see any local settings directory then just type local settings right after C:\Documents and Settings\xxxuser\ from your address bar. Or you can also access that directory by enabling show hidden files and folders option. Do it by :

Windows 95
Open My Computer.

Select the View menu and click Options.

Select the View Tab.

Select the Show all files Radio Button.

Click OK.
Windows 98
Open My Computer.

Select the View menu and click Folder Options.

Select the View Tab.

In the Hidden files section select Show all files.

Click OK.
Windows ME
Open My Computer.

Select the Tools menu and click Folder Options.

Select the View Tab.

Under the Hidden files and folders heading select Show hidden files and folders.

Uncheck the Hide protected operating system files (recommended) option.

Click Yes to confirm.

Click OK.

Click Start, Programs and Accessories and open Windows Explorer.

Select a hard drive from the left hand side of the Windows Explorer window.

Select View the Entire contents of this drive.
Windows 2000
Open My Computer.

Select the Tools menu and click Folder Options.

Select the View Tab.

Under the Hidden files and folders heading select Show hidden files and folders.

Uncheck the Hide protected operating system files (recommended) option.

Click Yes to confirm.

Click OK.
Windows XP
Click Start.

Open My Computer.

Select the Tools menu and click Folder Options.

Select the View Tab.

Under the Hidden files and folders heading select Show hidden files and folders.

Uncheck the Hide protected operating system files (recommended) option.

Click Yes to confirm.

Click OK.

Regards
Hridoy Mendez

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Thanks for all the info. . .

by shaner7575 Aug 29, 2005 10:15PM PDT

But believe it or not I did all that. In fact I try to keep it cleaned out as often as possible, per Grif's Tips for Computer Newbies. (Learned a lot from that thread.)
The only steps I didn't do was the "hidden files", which I will attempt sometime today.

I was thinking if I had installed any other programs lately that might have slowed it down, and I did connect my son's T-83 Silver Edition calculator to our computer, with the T-Connect software, and USB cable. Wonder if that could be the culprit? I just left the USB cable connected and all he has to do once he starts using it, is plug it into his calculator.
If anyone has any feedback on this, please let me know.
He is really going to need this with his high school Geometry, since my mind does not visualize things in cubes, etc.
Thanks for everyone's help. It is deeply appreciated!

Judy

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Ummmm....

by Yew Aug 29, 2005 10:30PM PDT

Browser caches don't slow the computer down. It's a myth. The computer just sees them as a bunch of files, like any other. It doesn't slow the system down, unless you run low on disk space, and it limits necessary growth of the swap file.

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Helped out before. . .

by shaner7575 Aug 29, 2005 11:12PM PDT

I can remember the first time I cleaned out all those folders, with Grif's step by step instructions, and I found over 200+ temp files, etc. Yeah, my computer was running "really slow." No one tells you about these annoying things when you buy your computer. Luckily, once I finally got internet access, a year after having my computer, I found the old Zdnet forums, which saved my computer as well as my sanity! And yes, I used my Windows Help files until I think I broke them. I use Google search now, and come here for answers.

I was just uninstalling old programs, and nutty games my son had, and came across a program which I was wondering about. "On Target" rad software. Since I don't use it; and don't really know what it is, other than a pre-install that came with the system, would it be ok to unintall it? Anyone know what it's for?

Thanks again for all the help!

Judy

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Urban Legend

by Yew Aug 30, 2005 12:34AM PDT

The number of files on a drive/computer doesn't impact it's performance at all. Could be 200, could be 200,000, wouldn't make a bit of difference. Computers don't have to rifle through all the other files to find the one you want. It can typically find any file on a drive, no matter how many there are, in about the time it takes you to blink.

I'm not sure what that program is, and a quick Google search just came up with a bunch of Target store links. Sounds like spyware to me, but I'd say if you don't know what it is, and you don't use it, it's probably safe to remove.

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Number of files on a drive

by datalookup Aug 31, 2005 12:20PM PDT

Hi, the number of files on a drive does affect the performance of the drive. In regards to accessing files, the greater the number of files, the lesser the drive space for swap files and virtual memory. This can lead to a drive to "thrash" when it is searching for a file or application. Regular drive and file maintenance, will help to keep the drive in good running condition and will in the long run extend its service life.

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Not quite

by Yew Aug 31, 2005 9:52PM PDT

What you describe doesn't have anything to do with the number of files. I could have a fairly small number of very large files and get the same result you describe. So it can't be a function of the number of files, so much as the amount of free space on a drive.

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Fragmentation Is The Culprit

by pmchefalo Sep 9, 2005 7:41PM PDT

The number of files, and their age, tends to be an indicator of disk fragmentation. Fragmentation is the enemy of disk throughput, which on memory-challenged systems is a significant part of the memory Windows uses. Eliminating files can produce less fragmented new files, which is why ideas such as those you described as an "urban legend" thrive.

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Fixed Size Trick

by mcgilbdd Sep 11, 2005 1:33AM PDT

Yep, I agree with you totally...good answer.!

All the discussion about overall speed and the number of files can be confusing. In theroy, the number of files really don't make that much difference, but if all those really small files are scattered like dust in the wind across the HD....a slow drive is the result and the drive will ''thrash'' itself into a slow spin.

Thus, the ''un-observed'' effect of deleting all those unnecessary files is to partially ''defrag'' the drive, which speeds it up.It will also allow more swap file space. The ''observed'' effect is a faster drive, thus, the urban legend continues.

A trick I learned many years ago is to assign a fixed amount of swap file space, setting it to manual, and assigning the same amount of space as the min and max numbers. It keeps some systems for continually trying to expand and contract the swapfile. On a well endowed system, it won't make much difference, but a marginal system will notice that the ''thrash'' is much less.(Right click on ''My Computer, select ''properties'', then the ''Advanced'' tab)

mcgilbdd

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Safe to Remove

by phrubin Sep 10, 2005 5:14AM PDT

CAUTION: If you don't recognize the name of an application, find out what it is before EVER removing it or you MAY REMOVE SOMETHING YOUR COMPUTER NEEDS TO FUNCTION!!

PHRubin

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What about Mozilla FireFox

by hotjoeker Sep 9, 2005 1:06AM PDT

This instruction given here does not include Mozilla FireFox. May I know where to find the temporary files of FireFox? Anybody here who knows where this is located?

Thank a lot.

Joe

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Joe, Firefox Cache...

by Grif Thomas Former Forum moderator Sep 9, 2005 3:19AM PDT

If you're interested in cleaning out the cache and cookies on Firefox, simply open Firefox, click on "Tools" in the upper left, choose "Options". When that loads, click on the "Privacy" tab on the left. You should then be able to see the "Cookies" section and the "Cache" section. Click on the "Clear" button to eliminate all they contain.

If you want to know where it all resides in the file hierarchy, check this path:

C\Documents and Settings\Username\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\default.1g9(or something similar)\Cache

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Sorry, but I have to disagree. . .

by shaner7575 Aug 31, 2005 4:07AM PDT

Granted, I'm not a so called "computer expert", but I know from the "performance" of my computer, that cleaning out all those files, does enhance the speed, at least on my computer.
I am also "very thankful" for the support and help the Moderators and other members on this forum has always given me. If Microsoft is playing on my "ignorance", I feel I can come here for help, without being "criticized" for my so called ignorance.
There's "nicer" ways of proving your point, even if it is "expert" advice.

Judy

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Your computer may need to be cleaned?

by Mike Delling Aug 31, 2005 11:29AM PDT

I also thought that my computer was clean until this was done. Although it cost a mere $80 to do this. Good luck.

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Some reading for you...may help

by mandyrchtr Sep 1, 2005 2:17PM PDT

Hi Judy,
I was given these sites to have a read of and thought they may help you too!I have Windows 98SE and just upgraded my RAM from 64MB to 256MB, makes a big difference.
Heres the sites anyway...hope they can help!

http://castlecops.com/article-5686-nested-0-0.html

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/tips/beginner/diskcleanup.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/default.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/articles/811Nov/MNTfoundation1.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/usingwindows/maintaining/tips/beginner/1beginner_list.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/default.asp

Good Luck
Mandy

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slow PC

by cravinbob Sep 1, 2005 10:59PM PDT

I am no expert on PCs and have learned what I know on my own. I am really amazed that computers are so abundant but most people have no clue about how to use them. It is not our fault but our desire to learn causes the very problems we seek to solve! Microsoft does not offer support at all but has cornered the market which makes me feel as though my computer is not really mine but theirs. We are forced to upgrade to their new systems which are, by their own admission, in need of fixes they call "patches". I upgraded to XP and found it ridiculously designed. The last straw was when I found the "button" to make XP look like 98! I am back with 98 and chucked XP but I know sooner or later I will have no choice but to change to XP again because programs I may want in the future will not support 98.
I learned also that XP should be a new install and not an upgrade version.
Taking fix-it advice on the Internet is hazardous as well. Too many "help" forum's and site's bottom line is that they are selling a fix-it program. Downloading all that junk will slow your PC down worse than anything. I won't get into "geek speak" type websites.
A teenager in the house has probably downloaded more junk than you know, adding to the slowdown. Deleting stuff won't help. More memory will make 98 unstable so don't waste your money. 256MB is fine. Do not get updates from Microsoft for any reason. Run your programs don't let them run you. Your start up should have only 2 items not 200. Stick with IE5 or 6 or netscape not both. Forget Mozilla, Outlook Express and anything AOL. Use Yahoo for email. Anti-virus software are almost as bad as the virus' themselves. Stay off porn sites! don't download all the magical fixes. Keep your programs to a minimum such as; instead of having 3 photo programs choose the one you like, dump the others. Configure programs the way you want not vise versa. Don't let them race to their homepage when get on the 'Net. Shut em down and start them when you want.
Before you do anything do a reformat/reinstall, you can learn how and your PC will run great assuming your hard drive and proccessor are not failing.
After a reinstall take mental notes as you go about installing software, surfing the 'Net etc and when your PC starts dragging again you can think about what you did recently and find the culprit. Your sytems files become so scattered and invaded a reinstall is the only thing to do. It should be done once a year.
Now I will back out and let others chime in or flame me or help you reformat...
Good luck!

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Cravinbob........I'll be as diplomatic as possible...

by mandyrchtr Sep 1, 2005 11:59PM PDT

because this forum has to be the best on the 'net,
and I will treat it as such....but you did say it all in the first sentence...and I agree wholeheartedly with staying away from Porn sites.
Mandy

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Well...

by Yew Sep 2, 2005 12:19AM PDT

All I've got to say, is that if you don't apply security updates and don't use a virus scanner... Don't come here expecting anyone to be sympathetic when you get hit with something particularly nasty.

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Reformat and Full Hard Drive

by phrubin Sep 10, 2005 5:09AM PDT

Reformatting is serious business. I only recommend it in situations where the computer "crashes" frequently. Before ever doing so, you must Backup all important "data".

If you keep your checkbook, phone numbers, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, old e-mail, passwords, wallpaper, pictures, music, or a variety of other information you don't want to loose, you must transfer that information to something other than your hard drive. After reformatting, you would then have to re-install all software "applications" such as your word processor, and all hardware "drivers", files that tell your computer how to handle things like your video card, sound card, printer, and any other hardware not inherently covered by Win98. Then you would put back (not necessarily easy) the "data". Not having a CD burner leaves you with only a few choices for storing data before reformatting. An external USB disk drive is one possibility.

Naturally, all this is very time consuming, and an external drive costs more than adding memory, WHICH IS PROBABLY the simplest, least expensive way to speed up any computer with minimum memory.

One item that has been mentioned in passing, a relatively full hard drive. You can tell how big it is and how much room is left by simply clicking "my computer". The "C:" drive is the one to look at. If you have a second hard drive, it will be "D:" and you won't likely be able to follow the next suggestion.

If there is only one and it is over 80 to 90% full, you will begin to limit the size of your swap file, or pagefile.sys. This will also slow things down. In this case, you really should go to the control panel and use "Add/Remove Programs" to remove applications you installed and no longer use, and clear out as much garbage as you can, such as the C:\Temp, C:\Windows\Temp folders.

CAUTION: If you don't recognize the name of an application, find out what it is before EVER removing it or you MAY REMOVE SOMETHING YOUR COMPUTER NEEDS TO FUNCTION!!

PHRubin

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oops

by phrubin Sep 10, 2005 6:48AM PDT

disregard the comment about having a second hard drive. I was thinking of a different suggestion which I decided against.

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Thanks, Mandy!

by shaner7575 Sep 2, 2005 3:30AM PDT

I am considering adding more ram, and the sites you gave me will help out a lot!!
I was considering a "newer" computer, but with the price of gas, etc., I think I will now stick to what I have, and be "thankful."
Thanks again,

Judy

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Glad to help Judy...

by mandyrchtr Sep 2, 2005 12:56PM PDT

I think you have made the right decision ....I can't look back after putting more RAM in.
I think you said you had dial-up...I do to and realise the computer won't be as fast as other ways of connecting....but the RAM makes a great difference!
Happy computering
Mandy

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Harddisk - The forgotten hardware

by MystGuy Sep 2, 2005 5:13PM PDT

Hi all,

We all know that the speed of the computer is very much affected by the amount of RAM you have. I think we need to justify it here on that concept. Yes, your computer's speed will definitely be affected by the RAM factor, not quite true.

In my point of view, you need to keep three hardware balanced, in order for them to fulfil their maximum potential. In ranking order :
1st : Harddisk
2nd : MOBO
3rd : RAM

Actually, the speed of your computer is usually affected by the speed your harddisk spins, from my experience. No matter how fast your RAM is, it will still be affected by the speed of your harddisk as well. It's interlinked. You RAM might be 1GB but if your harddisk isn't better, it's actually not optimum. Yes, definitely you will still be utilising the RAM, but not at it's optimum.

The industry standard is 7200 rpm for a standard harddisk. You might think it's the fastest but you have other options. SCSI is expensive you might say, but it's the price you pay for quality. If SCSI is out, maybe RAID interfacing is the answer to increasing your PC's harddisk.

A good MOBO is also crucial. A MOBO that supports dual channel can help increasing and maximise the use of your RAM. The bus speed, cache... plays a part to the data transfer speed within your PC too, so don't forget about them.

If upgrading isn't an option you can achieve. Then what you can do is to do a complete overhaul of your PC. I listed the important steps down for you:

1. Reload your computer
(Take note: its not reinstalling but installing a fresh copy of your MS Windows by formating your C: and installing your OS again. Yes, do a backup of your data on a separate drive.)

2. Install the necessary patches for your OS
(It's very important for you to do this)

3. Before you even start to use your new OS, install all the necessary protection required. Anti-virus and Anti-Spyware. Keep them up-to-date by using their built in auto-update engine. Most of the latest software has that function. Failure to do so, defeats the purpose of installing such softwares. (This is mandatory.)

4. Install necessary softwares only
(As your PC is considered low-end, avoid installing memory hungry softwares. And where possible, unload all unnecessary software that loads automatically at startup. MS AntiSpyware and Spybot will be able to help you achieve that.)

5. Enjoy your new reborned PC.

That's all, Good Luck!

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