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Speaking of sexually abusing children, how about the UN?

by Kiddpeat / May 27, 2008 5:10 AM PDT
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Yeah..How bout' them
by JP Bill / May 27, 2008 5:51 AM PDT

Sexual Exploitation and Abuse at the Hands of UN Peacekeepers: Translating Outrage into Action

Ambassador John R. Bolton, U.S. Representative to the United Nations
Statement in the Security Council
New York, NY
February 23, 2006

The United States for its part takes its responsibility as a member state seriously in this regard. We are working closely with others to finalize language in the new, amended Memorandum of Understanding issued by DPKO last fall and encourage other Troop Contributing Countries (TCCs) to do so as well. The United States Congress has expressed keen interest in this matter and has taken action. In 2005, Congress passed and President Bush signed the 2005 reauthorization of the Trafficking Victims Protection ACT (TVPRA) of 2000. This new legislation requires the executive branch, starting in June 2006 to report annually to the U.S. Congress on the actions taken by the United Nations and other international organizations to prevent trafficking and sexual exploitation and abuse by employees, contractors, and peacekeeping forces. It also requires the Secretary of State to report to the U.S. Congress on the effectiveness of these actions prior to voting on any new or reauthorized peacekeeping mission.

It was two years ago that the world began to wake up to the reality that we are confronted with today -- that the sexual exploitation and abuse of women and children at the hands of U.N. peacekeepers is not an isolated incident -- it is a widespread scourge which creates lasting victims, scarred for their lifetimes. The ?boys will be boys? attitude, which too long pervaded peacekeeping operations, must correctly be met with a zero tolerance policy. Now that we are aware of this problem, though, it is time to take this recognition and translate it into decisive action without delay. We should do so not just because we recognize the impact of such crimes on the success of a particular Mission, but because it is our moral and ethical responsibility to do as much as possible to prevent the sexual exploitation and abuse of women and children wherever it may exist.


2 years later


UN foul play

The UN?s official statements after the charges appeared flimsy and betrayed something fishy to start with. Declaring the matter closed, it found little out of place save one individual that facilitated gold smuggling, and the case was apparently handed over to the troop contributing country and that was that. Independent media is in no position to hold the organisation legally accountable, but there seems overwhelming evidence that considerably more foul play was afoot in Congo than admitted, and instead of taking meaningful action the world body chose to brush the issue under the carpet.


Say one thing...do another...lots of countries/organizations do it. Including Canada.

People outside of North America probably never heard of the children from Texas.

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Good solution.
by Kiddpeat / May 27, 2008 6:09 AM PDT
In reply to: Yeah..How bout' them

Pretend there's nothing wrong.

When it doubt, blame the US.

That's going to be hugely effective. Too bad the kids are on the losing end of that kind of attitude.

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Good solution
by JP Bill / May 27, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
In reply to: Good solution.
When it doubt, blame the US.


I've shown how the US legislated its outrage. I've said that other countries (I've mentioned my country) says one thing and does another.

No countries that belong to UN want another country to have the power to discipline them,

That's how it works.

I blaming them all.

Write your congressman/woman?

Start a website/blog?

Only so much outrage to go around?
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It's not just the UN, KP. The whole story.

(Story rated PG-13)

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Humanitarian aid workers and United Nation peacekeepers are sexually abusing small children in several war-ravaged and food-poor countries, a leading European charity has said.

"It is hard to imagine a more grotesque abuse of authority or flagrant violation of children's rights," said Jasmine Whitbread, chief executive of Save the Children UK.

According to the charity, children told researchers they were too frightened to report the abuse, fearful that the abuser would come back to hurt them and that they would stop receiving aid from agencies, or even be punished by their family or community.
Save the Children is calling for a global watchdog to tackle the problem and said it was working with the U.N. to establish local mechanisms that will allow victims to easily report abuse.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/27/charity.aidworkers/index.html

Even Save the Children fired some workers.

Not only aid workers. , but also by peacekeepers.

The report by Save the Children UK, based on field research in southern Sudan, Ivory Coast and Haiti, describes a litany of sexual crimes committed by peacekeepers and international relief workers against children as young as 6.

It said some children were denied food aid unless they granted sexual favors; others were forced to have sex or to take part in child pornography; many more were subjected to improper touching or kissing.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4938455

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Yes, I know. However, the UN should be much more
by Kiddpeat / May 27, 2008 10:25 AM PDT

responsible with, presumably, disciplined, people on the ground than nameless 'aid' agencies. If the UN can't be squeaky clean, can we really expect more from others?

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UN and OTHERS
by JP Bill / May 27, 2008 12:44 PM PDT

the UN and OTHERS are made up of people/humans

That's the problem.....humans.

We have met the enemy....and the enemy is us.

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We can and should expect more...
by Josh K / May 28, 2008 12:54 AM PDT

...from the UN and from "others" whether in this country or elsewhere. Regarding the sect in Texas, in this country there are laws protecting children, laws that may or may not exist in all the countries the UN is involved with. This makes it much easier for us to protect our children than it is in some other countries.

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So, there are some countries where the sexual abuse of
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 2:05 AM PDT

children is legal, and that means that no action is expected from the UN or other authorities? Which countries are these? The UN's hands are tied by local law?

Interesting concept. Child sexual abuse is OK if local law says that it is OK. So, just what basis do we use for condemning it in Texas? The Texas people think it is an exercise of their religion. If such practices are OK in another country due to local law, how can we tell the Texas folks that their practices are not protected by the freedom of religion clause in the Constitution?

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RE: The UN's hands are tied by local law?
by JP Bill / May 28, 2008 2:54 AM PDT

and sometimes local laws hands are tied by the UN.

Remember all the traffic tickets in New York that UN officials don't pay.

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I know of no country.....
by Josh K / May 28, 2008 3:09 AM PDT

....where local law says it's OK. That's not what I said and you know it. What I said is that there may be countries in which there are no specific laws on the books protecting kids from it. That doesn't make it OK.

The basis we use for condemning it in Texas is that it is illegal. I'm sure with a modicum of effort you can pull up the Supreme Court rulings on the limitations of freedom of religion when it comes to illegal activities. Human sacrifice could be part of someone's religion but the Constitution does not protect it.

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I'll ask again. In which countries is it legal to sexually
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 3:49 AM PDT

abuse children? If you don't know, I'm a bit at a loss to understand why you posted this 'excuse' to begin with.

I'm not going to defend what is happening in Texas. However, if you want to let the UN off the hook when its own personnel are engaging in the sexual abuse of children, I really wonder where you are coming from. I guess you must be saying that, if it isn't illegal, then it must be allowed without condemnation. If not, then you should be condemning both the UN and any country that doesn't ban such behaviour.

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I can't help what you're at a loss to understand
by Josh K / May 28, 2008 3:58 AM PDT

There are countries where children are not as well protected as they are here. Thailand is a good example.

And please stop twisting my words. I did not say it was OK or that people engaging in it should not be condemned for it.

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Why don't you just condemn the UN behaviour instead
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 5:05 AM PDT

of trying to excuse it?

BTW, where did I say that you said that sexually exploiting kids is OK? I consciously avoided saying that, but you saw it anyway? Why is that?

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I did condemn it, in my first post in this subthread
by Josh K / May 28, 2008 5:14 AM PDT
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You have an interesting way of using the language.
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 9:10 AM PDT

The original "we should expect more from the UN, but the laws" (paraphrase) now means that you condemned the UN for its failure to act against its own people? Same thing with my language. Another interesting twist on what I said. I guess some things never change.

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How about Thailand?

A close US friend and ally, of course... As is Saudi Arabia....

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Well, I guess if some countries are let off the hook (if
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 5:02 AM PDT
In reply to: How about Thailand?

they are), then the UN itself must also be let off the hook.

I guess the outrage is calibrated based on political considerations rather than the facts of the situation. The UN must, at all costs, be given a pass when its employees sexually abuse children.

BTW, just how does Saudi Arabia sexually exploit children? Links please.

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Why do you keep....
by Josh K / May 28, 2008 6:44 AM PDT
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I am trying to get a response about the UN and its
by Kiddpeat / May 28, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
In reply to: Why do you keep....

responsibility. Trying to divert attention elsewhere does not deal with that issue. As I said, politics seems to be everything. If your friends do it, we should understand their plight. If your enemies do it, we should condemn them without question. I think that sums up the attitude coming from the defenders of the UN.

I reviewed your "link" on the sexual abuse of children in Saudi Arabia. I found nothing specific. Simply generalities that could be said about any other country in the world. If that's the best you can do, Saudi Arabia has ZERO RELEVANCE to what the UN has done.

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Where's the outrage?
by JP Bill / May 27, 2008 11:14 PM PDT
Human rights a global mess: Amnesty

LONDON -- Six decades after world leaders unanimously signed the Universal Declaration on Human Rights, the record is dismal and urgent action is needed to prevent global chaos, Amnesty International said on Wednesday.

From Asia to the United States and Africa, countries are reneging on their global commitments to uphold human rights and people are starting to lose patience, secretary general Irene Khan said in an interview marking the group's annual report.

"There is a burning platform out there, flashpoints around the world, Iraq, Darfur, Zimbabwe, the Middle East, the Palestinian conflict. Governments have to act before things worsen," she told Reuters.


When Amnesty complains about some subjects,

They are referred to in derogatory terms.
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