Speaking of Geneva Conventions <sigh>

Six U.S. troops charged with Iraq torture
>> The Army investigation confirmed soldiers at Abu Ghraib had not been trained in Geneva Convention rules.<<
(From the Washington Times, just for those who object to "leftist" sites!) BTW, the General in charge of the prison has now been relieved of command.

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An article 32 is an INVESTIGATION...

by Edward ODaniel May 2, 2004 12:14PM PDT

I won't buy the "I figured..." except as an "after the fact, any excuse is better than none" response.

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What were you saying about a reprimand?

by Darrin Cantor May 2, 2004 3:35PM PDT

But while the Taguba report criticized military intelligence's role in the abuse, it did not spare General Karpinski. It recommended that she be relieved of command and reprimanded for command failures related to the abuse.

NYT article

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Re: New York times (login)

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] May 3, 2004 12:09AM PDT

New York Times login speakeasygang; pw = speakeasy

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Re: "Failed command structure"

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] May 3, 2004 12:14AM PDT

I wonder the extent to which the problem was a female non-West Point one-star up against an aggressive male colonel, perhaps West Point-trained. The general has complained that she was told the wing of the prison where the abuse occurred was "off-limits" to her, even though she was nominally in command there. A more assertive general would have fought that situation (though we really don't know the extent to which she did).

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This has nothing to do with the Article 32...

by Edward ODaniel May 3, 2004 1:55AM PDT

investigation and can be loosely associated with a police officer accused of anything being suspended either with or without pay PENDING the results of the investigation.

Reprimand for the actions of subordinates is a fairly common event as it keeps a demanding but unknowledgable public "happy". Think of it as your son/daughter shoplifting a CD that you knew nothing about and your getting a letter from the Mayor/DA admonishing you for your lax supervision to show that they are "on the job".

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Brush all the narrative aside.........

by Del McMullen May 1, 2004 2:37AM PDT

.....and what do you have ?

Simply, the basic difference between right and wrong. The
suggestion that a lack of training or supervision is not an
excuse for this behavior.

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Re: Brush all the narrative aside.........

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] May 2, 2004 1:34PM PDT

Hi, Del.

>>The suggestion that a lack of training or supervision is not an excuse for this behavior. <<
We agree. But I'm puzzled -- why, then, did you initially try to dismiss this story as "old news?"

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No attempt to dismiss...........

by Del McMullen May 3, 2004 2:19AM PDT

Only to take note that what you posted as 'new'
news, had been around for some time, and was 'old'
news.

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Re:No attempt to dismiss...........

by R Bibb May 3, 2004 3:07AM PDT

You said "Old, OLD, news".

Sounds very dismissive to me. If not of the news itself, then of Dave for posting about it.

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