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Speaking of civil disobedience

Apr 28, 2015 1:05PM PDT

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RE: IF/WHEN you decide to actually give a response,
May 2, 2015 1:59AM PDT
IF/WHEN you decide to actually give a response, I'll come back.

I guess this is Good Bye then.
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I honestly don't care how many wives
May 3, 2015 5:01AM PDT

and/or husbands you have. It's none of my business.

The US wouldn't let Utah become a state until they passed a law against polygamy.

As for preachers marrying two men or women, that is their prerogative. I know some that won't marry mixed race couples (remember I'm a Southern Baptist). I don't even care if some establishments won't bake a wedding cake for them (this happens in both Christian and Muslim bakeries, not sure about Jewish ones). I wouldn't sue; I would just go elsewhere and tell everyone about my experience. They would get more business from some and less from others.

I don't know what five nice Catholic boys are going to rule but hopefully it won't be on religious beliefs like Hobby Lobby.

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RE; It's none of my business.
May 3, 2015 6:32AM PDT
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Your preacher taught you this?
May 1, 2015 5:21AM PDT

If so, you need to leave that church, it's from Satan.

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That's what happens when
May 1, 2015 5:45AM PDT

there are so many interpretations of the same book?..."the Bible"

What are ya gonna do about that?

Burn some?

Which ones?

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Bill, the truth is in there.
May 3, 2015 4:40AM PDT

Which you would find if you studied it with the same open mind you brought to your chemistry textbook.

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(NT) No, most of it I read in the Bible
May 3, 2015 6:52AM PDT
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I give quotes
May 3, 2015 7:45AM PDT

show passages, because I'm not a member of the "Church of What's Happening Now". Real gospel, not Social gospel. The word of God instead of the wordiness of some "reverend". The Truth, instead of "What I Want it To Be". Not my will, but God's.

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atheist don't need marriage
Apr 30, 2015 6:52PM PDT

They can just "shack up"

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Marriage ....
Apr 30, 2015 7:10PM PDT

has both a religious meaning and a meaning for the civil law. For example, here in The Netherlands if you're married a child is automatically a child of the man, but if you're not married the father has to go to some legal procedure for the child to become his child officially.

So getting a child is one of the reasons see people (religious or not, same gender or not) start thinking about marrying when they start thinking about getting a child together. And that usually is quite a few years after they started living together.

Kees

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Would this mean that a man
May 1, 2015 2:07AM PDT

who found out his "Best Friend With Benefits" was with child, he could walk away without any responsibility whatsoever...no DNA test or paternity suit?

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He could, I think.
May 1, 2015 3:39AM PDT

But then the mother should find a lawyer to see if some agreement about money can be made. Luckily, this doesn't happen often, I think.

Kees

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Rules can eliminate the element of "luck".
May 1, 2015 5:16AM PDT

Which in this case (and similar here) offer $ protection for the woman and the child.

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that's crazy
May 1, 2015 5:26AM PDT

turns children into commodities, while denying nature at the same time.

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RE: They can just "shack up"
Apr 30, 2015 9:24PM PDT

and then go their separate ways.

They could get married...then get a divorce,

They are living their life...not yours.

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Why don't heterosexuals just shack up?
May 1, 2015 1:05AM PDT

Wait a minute, more and more of them are.

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some of them do
May 1, 2015 1:11PM PDT

guess what? We don't call that "marriage". It might can be called "living in a sinful condition".

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Which comes back to what marriage really is
May 1, 2015 2:34PM PDT

It's the union of husband and wife in the eyes of God.

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In the 1800's
May 1, 2015 7:55PM PDT

people were so widespread in areas that hadn't been 'established' very much that preachers weren't readily available. Couples vowed to each other in front of others that they were 'married' and everyone recognized it as 'legal' in their community. Usually, once a preacher turned up, those vows were then confirmed and actually made legal by someone in authority to do so. Common-law marriage was a convenience accommodated across the USA at that time. Many states didn't go back and repeal/revoke common-law status because it wasn't anything done frequently once towns and cities became more established because people had more 'morals' and the need for 'convenience' was pretty much wiped out.

We have so many laws that go back into the 1800's and earlier still on our books that it's scary when you think about it today because some crazy prosecutor with an agenda will invariably pull out one of those laws in order to get a conviction of any kind against someone that he/she otherwise couldn't take to trial. Adultery, sodomy, alienation of affections, etc. Most are totally ridiculous however, such as horses had the right of way over pedestrians and even cars as they were invented.

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RE: Which comes back to what marriage really is -
May 1, 2015 9:13PM PDT
Which comes back to what marriage really is

It's the union of husband and wife in the eyes of God


Comes back to?

The principle of common-law marriage was affirmed by the United States Supreme Court

The word "God" NOT found in the link I provided.
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James
May 3, 2015 4:55AM PDT

It's also a man marrying his brother's widow and a woman marrying her rapist and the king having 700 wives and men having children with their slaves or wives' handmaidens

But any of this is moot. We are not a Christian or Muslim or Jewish nation; we are a secular nation that welcomes all religions.

Marriage is what SCOTUS says it is, just like civil rights are what SCOTUS says they are.

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My assumption, as you know, is that
May 1, 2015 5:21AM PDT

Genesis is the history of man and God 'from the beginning'; no "other religions or for atheists" at that time. You might compare the rules of the others and look for similarities, to help answer your question.

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Excellent point about the magistrates.
May 5, 2015 5:29AM PDT

Since we're neutral on political matters (we already have a government; Mt 6:9,10) you'll find few if any of us as magistrates, especially where that's an elective office. So, no gay marriage ceremonies for us.
And we're sort of the poster boys for 'civil disobedience'. Hitler says "Sieg Heil!" but we don't. Go to jail or death? Got precedent for that. Dan ch. 3. But we're always civil, except to James. Happy
Scripture trumps Caesar, for us. Acts 5:29.

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And thanks for allowing the rest of us into
Apr 30, 2015 3:53AM PDT

The Bill and Tony Show.
Happy

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You're welcome....
Apr 30, 2015 4:14AM PDT

I couldn't have done it without her help.

She was aiding and abetting "an idiot".

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You shouldn't think of yourself that way
Apr 30, 2015 8:21AM PDT

perhaps we could substitute "unlearned" instead?
Stay here long enough, and maybe you WILL learn. Happy

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RE: You shouldn't think of yourself that way
Apr 30, 2015 12:04PM PDT

Not MY opinion....Just passing on another persons opinion.

"unlearned" is also not MY opinion,

Would you like me to add YOUR opinion to some of my future posts?

Stay here long enough, and maybe you WILL learn

I see you're back on your Grasshopper theme.

Do you think I've mastered Google Search?