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Something has gone seriously haywire

We?re Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore
By Garrison Keillor, In These Times 27/8/04
Aug 27, 2004, 10:53



Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned?and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today?s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.

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and the left thought Ike was an idiot just as they

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think Reagan, Quale, Bush, etc. are or were. Their tune never changes.

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Re: and the left thought Ike was an idiot just as they

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I believe Ike was thought to be a non-politician, not an idiot. Anyway, that's why the GOP turned angry and mean? That's why:

"The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong?s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt?s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we?re deaf, dumb and dangerous."

???

Nah, it's more than that. It's the culture war. It's hate. It's that Republicans want liberals punished and they don't care if the country goes down the drain in the process.

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and what do you think of the liberal Democrats

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who thought up all this silly nonsense about Republicans? Brown shirts! I love it! Straight out of left field.

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To arrive at your answer Bob

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You can start by considering the effects of Islamic terrorism. The largest example being 9/11 but all the suicide bombers, hijackings, poison gas attacks(Japan), beheadings, and so is it any wonder that things have turned nasty.

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Re: Something seriously haywire -- Wow! Well said, Garrison

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Hi, Bob

A powerful (and absolutely correct) indictment of the party of privilege. This piece is particularly unusual given the source -- I can't remember him being so overtly political before. It's almost as surprising as if Dave Barry wrote it!

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I've always thought his political orientation was obvious ..

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I've been a semi-regular listener for a long time. It has been clear for years which party he "pulls for". It is true that he does not usually go on at length during the Prairie Home Companion broadcasts, but that is hardly surprising since the show would lose some of its entertainment value if it became an obviously political venue.

It is true that the Republican party is rather different from the party of Lincoln, and some of his comments have some basis in fact. Still, the piece strikes me as closer to caricature than commentary. That is not surprising, though, since caricature is what he does so well every week.

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Re: Something has gone seriously haywire

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to hell with anybody who opposes them.


the party of the Deadheads.



From reading the posts in SE, I can understand the above observations made by the author, whether or not I agree with tem. .

Let's face it. There is only a sliver of the voters who have not yet made up their minds. Depictions of those not planning to vote for the incumbent as anti-American, unpatriotic, having lesser values, being ill-informed, etc. could very well turn off any here who are in that sliver.

That sliver may very well decide the election.

Angeline
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Just as the naive socialist comments, and anti-American government and military bashing from the pro-Kerry groups have turned people against their viewpoints also.

This long ago stopped being a party issue, which a lot of people can't seem to get. There are many people who no longer vote a party line, yet maintain a registration with a given party so that they can have a say-so in the party politics to whatever limited extent that they can. To call someone "a Republican" these days, and expect that all registered voters under that party think alike and share the same viewpoints is not well-founded. Probably the same can be said of Democrats, but perhaps to a bit lesser of an extent.

What it boils down to is only two viable candidates for President or a vote wasted on someone else who doesn't stand a chance of winning. Do most people really, really like either candidate? Probably not. But at some point, you have to choose the lesser evil based on what is known about them, and taking into account the prevailing national and world conditions.

The true ugliness of the campaigns this time has come more from the people themselves, than from just the stunts pulled by the political parties and candidates.

People want to argue about how the world should be, and how people should treat one another. But a lot of those wishes, hopes and dreams got shattered when the reality of what the world was becoming, intruded on America on 9-11. We felt ourselves impervious to the ills suffered by the rest of the world, so long as we were on our own soil. People are still in denial as to the threat terrorism poses, and their focus, as a result, is often on issues from pre-9-11. The world is very much a changed place, and like-it-or-not, no candidate is going to be able to give us back the country that we blissfully believed we had pre-9-11.

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I don't think this is an appeal for votes. More like a catharsis, or a coming-clean. Everybody knows (especially the Kerry campaign) that the swing votes are most dependent on positiveness and optimism. I think Keillor, like a lot of us, was feeling a little dirty and dishonest about how it gets played all nicey-nice and this is almost a kind of confession. Let the chips fall... and damn the votes.

"Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I have spoken my piece, and thank you, dear reader. It?s a beautiful world, rain or shine, and there is more to life than winning."

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Yes. We have to choose between a man whose leadership potential is questionable and a man who would turn this country into a bible thumping theocracy. It is time that the thumpers and the fools wake up. Me I plan to vote for somebody for president and then vote for all his opponents running for lesser office just to keep the books balanced!

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Dante? Hell? Not too long ago you were maintaining

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that there's not too much difference between us and rocks. Now we're in danger of hell? Make up your mind! Oh well, what does a rock care about hell fire.

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(NT) (NT) Great Article Bob Gr - Kindda says it :)

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