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Someone was talking about special intrests being in bed?

Mar 16, 2004 5:14AM PST

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Not me, but I do have special interest in bed at my age.........(nt)
Mar 16, 2004 6:27AM PST

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Re: Mercury regulations -- Dan, do you see a pattern here?
Mar 16, 2004 6:49AM PST

(from your linked article):
>> The administration chose a process "that would support the conclusion they wanted to reach," said John A. Paul, a Republican environmental regulator from Ohio who co-chaired the EPA-appointed advisory panel. <<
First Iraq, now this... And folks said I was being unduly harsh here!
What's that old American Indian saying, "cheat me once, shame on you; cheat me twice, shame on me!" Lots of folks here seem to be willing to give Bush infinite opportunities...

-- Dave K.
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
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Sounds like you, like Dave, haven't bothered finding out about the Clear Skies...
Mar 16, 2004 9:40AM PST

Initiative not the fact that the nay sayers aren't any better informed.

Here is your chance to enrich your knowledge:
http://www.epa.gov/air/clearskies/basic.html
http://www.epa.gov/air/clearskies/clearskies_details.pdf
http://www.eei.org/industry_issues/environment/air/mercury/KeyMercuryIssues.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/air/clearskies/whychng063003.html

The reference dose established by EPa is 0.1 micrograms per kilogram of body weight per day, corresponding to a blood level of 5.8 parts per billion. The National Academy of Sciences says this is scientifically justified. The Food and Drug Administration and the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) have recommended regulatory levels that are significantly less stringent than EPA?s reference dose. In fact, EPA?s reference dose is three times more stringent than ATSDR?s comparable ?minimal risk level,? and five times more stringent than a reference dose adopted by the World Health Organization. This also puts the FIRST EVER cap on Mercury emissions.

The complaints of "no scientific studies" come from those who disagree but have no better scientific modeling upon which to base their disagreements.

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But the plan is not to enforce those limits everywhere...
Mar 29, 2005 9:19PM PST
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That must be a humor piece by old Molly girl...
Mar 30, 2005 1:02AM PST

because it sure avoids any familiarity with fact.

Under the "in place" Clean Air Act there is no cap at all for mercury but "trade" is already incorporated.

Molly girl apparently also needs some basic instruction in math and her ardent readers need to familiarize themselves with a couple of descriptive adjectives applicable to themselves -- gullible and uninformed.

One wonders about old Molly's prepubescent exposure to mercury and lead based paints--it would explain much.

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(NT) (NT) Why a reply to a year old post instead of any new news?
Mar 31, 2005 6:24AM PST
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(NT) (NT) Good eye Roger ... wow I didn't notice this was a year
Mar 31, 2005 6:28AM PST
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I noticed because I didn't remember replying
Mar 31, 2005 6:40AM PST
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Some non-EPA figures and dates for you Edward O'D
Mar 30, 2005 3:02PM PST

"there is a picture, quite a famous one, that you should search out so you will know what is at stake. The picture, by the great photojournalist W. Eugene Smith, is known as "The Madonna of Minamata" and is of a Japanese woman in a hot bath with an expression of terrible sorrow and tenderness on her face as she holds the hopelessly deformed body of her daughter.

"Smith's classic book, "Minamata: Words and Photographs," is about the site of a horrific 1970s case of widespread mercury poisoning. No one who sees Smith's photos can ever forget them. There was a years-long struggle between the townspeople of Minamata and the corporation responsible for the mercury poisoning, which did not want to admit fault. During that struggle, corporate guards beat Smith so badly he lost his eyesight. ...
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"As you may know, one in six American women of child-bearing age already has enough mercury in her blood to put a developing fetus at risk. That's why pregnant women are urged not to eat many ocean and freshwater fish. Mercury also causes heart attacks among adults. "

"If the Clean Air Act, already in place, were simply implemented as it is supposed to be by the Environmental Protection Agency, we would be rid of over 90 percent of mercury emissions in this country by 2008. But, of course, that would cost the power industry a lot of money, and the power industry gives lots of money to politicians. So the EPA came up with a "cap and trade" system, under which power plants can avoid meaningful regulation until after 2025."

"Then, the EPA, whose name is rapidly becoming a morbid joke, had the gall to put out a press release claiming its new rule will cut mercury by 70 percent in 2018. Using the EPA's own figures, it fails to do even that. We'd be lucky to get a 50 percent reduction by 2020, according to Natural Resources Defense Council."

"The worse news is that "cap and trade" allows individual power plants to trade emissions credits, so while some states will have less mercury emission, other states will have enormous increases. God help you if you live near one of these future hotspots. NRDC estimates an 841 percent increase for California, 176 percent in Colorado, 241 percent in New Hampshire and 56 percent in New Jersey."

"It is unconscionable EPA is allowing power companies to trade in a powerful neurotoxin -- it is unprecedented and illegal," said William Becker, director of the bipartisan State and Territorial Air Pollution Program Administrators. "

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=2&ColumnsName=miv

But if it isn't good for Bush's friends and Cheney's friends it must be junk science, and if it isn't junk science, then let's just ignore it anyway, it's not going to be a problem for another 20 years, not like Social Security (Oh! yeah, 35 years for that one, Hell all these damn' numbers look the same. Anybody wanna game of golf??).

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You might want to attempt to verify ...
Mar 31, 2005 5:52AM PST

her figures because they are not to be found in the real world outside her vivid imagination.

I do agree they are not EPA figures though as they appear to be her very own figments of imagination.

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Those would be the MEWA numbers
Mar 31, 2005 6:15AM PST

... aka KEBF numbers.

Molly's Enviro Whacko Association numbers, or Konkel's Everything's Bush's Fault numbers.

Evie Happy

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(NT) (NT) Same act that pushed MTBE
Mar 31, 2005 6:11AM PST
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Re:Someone was talking about special intrests being in bed?
Mar 16, 2004 2:12PM PST
But look at H.J. Heinz & Co., the family business of Kerry and his wife, Teresa. Of the 79 factories that the food-processor owns, 57 (a felicitous number!) are overseas. According to its website, Heinz is making ketchup, pizza crust, baby cereal and other edibles in such countries as Poland, Venezuela, Bostswana, China, Thailand and India.

From another think tank organization that I'll concede some bias.

But just thought the numbers were interesting, although they would have fit better in a thread about how Kerry was going to save American jobs.

Granted, not all outsourcing is bad, but still, with all the noise about how Bush is losing American jobs to overseas to help his CEO buddies, I thought this might should be pointed out.

RogerNC

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When single men say
Mar 30, 2005 9:57AM PST

they want to sleep together, it means they want to have sex.

When married people say they want to go to bed, they want to go to sleep.

One thing that is fun, about 'in the bedroom' is, add that phrase to the end of your fortune cookie read aloud when you go out to dinner.