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Someone call the ACLU

by duckman / May 4, 2005 9:36 PM PDT
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And here's the problem, Duckman
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / May 4, 2005 10:53 PM PDT
In reply to: Someone call the ACLU

>> "Enforcement is absolutely necessary if we are going to protect citizens from unwanted exposure to obscene materials," <<
The problem is the word "unwanted!" These are being sold to consenting adults for use in their own homes -- just another example of the ongoing attack on personal liberties by the Bush Administration, supporting the Christian Right's goal of imposing its own value set on all Americans, whether they like it or not.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Isn't beastiality illegal?
by Cindi Haynes / May 5, 2005 1:26 AM PDT

Like porn involving children is illegal? So what if they're distributing kiddie porn Dave? To people who want it for their own use.

Still support them?

If it's illegal, it needs to be shut down.

--Cindi
Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email the mods

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Not in every state.
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 2:23 AM PDT

There is no Federal law against it, either, unless children are involved. My source is several years old.

Dan

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Guess it depends on
by Cindi Haynes / May 5, 2005 2:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Not in every state.

What state the guy is sending the stuff to then. I couldn't find anything definitive, either.

--Cindi
Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email the mods

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That would make it a state issue.
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 2:37 AM PDT
In reply to: Guess it depends on

I'm sure the Feds would be better utilized tracking down terrorists.

Dan

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(NT) (NT) Now we hear states rights from the left?
by Roger NC / May 5, 2005 2:41 AM PDT
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(NT) Whatever it serves the agenda.
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 2:46 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) To be diplomatic tho, that applies pretty universally
by Roger NC / May 5, 2005 2:47 AM PDT
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It's not a state's rights issue.
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 3:40 AM PDT

Nor did I claim that issue. I don't know why you're bringing it up, really.

It's just that the Feds usually do not prosecute violations of state law.

That's all.

Dan

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The federal lawyers seem to think differently.
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 2:45 AM PDT

I think they looked at the legality under federal law BEFORE they brought the case.

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The focus of the immediate discussion,
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 3:43 AM PDT

which you have not surprisingly missed, is that of the legality of bestiality. Do you have anything to contribute regarding what we were discussing?

Dan

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Thank you for defending my access to bestiality. I'm sure
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 4:35 AM PDT

I'll enjoy it.

NOT!

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Just because you and I don't
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 5:14 AM PDT

want do engage in an activity does not mean that it should be illegal.

Dan

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smugness personified
by David Evans / May 5, 2005 4:39 AM PDT

every day, all day. excuse me while I puke.

DE

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(NT) Thanks for being such a good moderator, Dave.
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 5:15 AM PDT
In reply to: smugness personified
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(NT) This is certainly one of the 'benefits' we get from the ACLU
by Kiddpeat / May 4, 2005 11:17 PM PDT
In reply to: Someone call the ACLU
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What we need protection from
by Dan McC / May 4, 2005 11:24 PM PDT
In reply to: Someone call the ACLU

is the obscene government intrusion into the country's personal activities. It's time for all you small government advocates to stand against this unwarranted state incursion into private life.

Dan

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Sickening that some think.......
by Glenda / May 5, 2005 3:00 AM PDT

anything and everything is A OK! But will complain when a swear word is used! And an abbreviation at that!
Do whatever makes you feel good Liberals want to do! No rules no morality!

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Who are you arguing with?
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 3:46 AM PDT

What you are objecting to sounds in no way like anything that I have proposed. Why don't you take another look at what I posted and try to respond to that. OK?

Thanks,

Dan

PS: Thanks for not swearing at me in your post.

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That was an argument???????
by Glenda / May 5, 2005 3:56 AM PDT

I wasn't especially talking to you, Dan, I was merely observing that too many liberals think they should be able to do anything they want, regardless of what it is! Get over yourself, please!

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Ahh, I should have asked
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 4:04 AM PDT

for you not to insult me, too. Opportunity missed.

Anyway...where do you get the idea that many liberals think they should be able to do anything they want. I've spend alot of time around many liberals and I've never heard that desire raised. Where do you think you picked up that impression?

Maybe you're thinking about libertarians.

Dan

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(NT) From you.
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 4:38 AM PDT
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Link?
by Josh K / May 5, 2005 4:45 AM PDT
In reply to: From you.

Got one that demonstrates how Dan thinks people should be able to just run around and do whatever the heck they want?

Oh, there I go again, asking for proof. I just never learn.

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That's an oxymoron Josh, and its not what Dan asked.
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 4:53 AM PDT
In reply to: Link?

Dan said:

'Where do you think you picked up that impression?'

Do you want a link to that for proof?

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''Link'' is not an oxymoron
by Josh K / May 5, 2005 5:08 AM PDT

"Jumbo Shrimp" is an oxymoron.

I see your logic now, presumably the same logic that led you to conclude that Liberals have a problem with Conservatives who happen to be physically attractive. Obviously not a train of thought I'm able to follow.

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There you go again Josh. It obviously flew right off into
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 5:18 AM PDT

space.

Impression and proof is an oxymoron. They are mutually exclusive. Get it?

Probably not. Oh well, I tried.

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Nope
by Josh K / May 5, 2005 5:31 AM PDT

You could provide a link to the post(s) that gave you that impression, perhaps with some explanation of how you got from point A to point B.

They are not mutually exclusive.

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Well, I posted the response and cnet lost it. I'm not going
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 5:43 AM PDT
In reply to: Nope

to try to recreate it.

Perhaps you can provide an example of a proof which depends, for its conclusion, on an impression.

That's the second post that was lost this afternoon.

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Well, that what you get from
by Dan McC / May 5, 2005 5:19 AM PDT
In reply to: From you.

having so little contact with what people are actually saying, KP. You pick up these wrong impressions about things. If you look back at the body of my posts you will see that I've never supported such a concept. No reasonable review of my statements would ever come to such a conclusion.

Dan

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We've had this discussion before Dan. One cannot look at the
by Kiddpeat / May 5, 2005 5:24 AM PDT

body of your posts, which I have done occasionally in great depth, and arrive at any conclusions about what you think. As soon as a hypothethis is put forward which is based on the logic of your posts, you deny the conclusion. That does not prevent the formation of impressions about what you think. I just have to remember that you will back away and deny it if I articulate my impressions. I guess many others have the same problem, so it is not a problem coming from my side.

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