Some people have strange ideas about Jesus.

the 'snake nut-job' scripture, has been discredited; modern Bibles relegate it to a footnote or omit it.
Now, I know you don't read scripture as a matter of principle, but you can take my word for it ... I'm a religious person ... trust me ... And for my services, I take PayPal ... trust me.

Odd how you can be honest about that and still accept the NWT.

Hebrews 11:1 and Acts 15:3-8. Maybe you can have someone read them to you.

Sigh.

I hope you don't think my intention was to show disrespect. It wasn't and I don't think I did.

You'll need to pardon me for that but, when one gives names of members in their posts, the message isn't a generic one. That doesn't make it disrespectful but it's definitely pointed. As for the subject line alone, I'd say it can't be argued successfully so there's not much to be gained by trying.

To add, the story to which you linked didn't offer the quote, it's context, nor anything about the individual who was claimed to have said it. That leaves too much up to one's own imagination and sometimes those imaginations are too full of prejudice to allow such words to be taken at face value. I was left wondering what point you wanted to make and to whom it was directed. Perhaps I'm just over-analysing. No offence meant.

so the link & the post of it have the ring of truth. Or you can contact. "Emir Kir, the mayor of the district of Saint-Josse", quoted. Also, Kees is a Mod, & on his own turf. In any case, such events happen too often, esp. in the US. They bring reproach on Jehovah's name, so they need to be addressed by anyone interested in this prayer: Mt 6:9.

with so many translations, who can even know for sure which one you are using and the NWT isn't an alternate on many biblical "alternate translation" sites.

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I just don't read them. I have my own past experiences to refer to. I'm a firm believer in God and the Trinity but don't feel I need 'reminders' or what I consider to be 'corrections' from others in my faith. I take responsibility for my failures and He gets full credit for all the good in my life. I have faith He will 'take care of me' when I need help the most but leave me to my own devices to take care of myself when He's 'too busy' helping others who are more in need at that moment. I'm a simple woman....my 'high expectations' for myself personally have been met, I believe, by doing the best I could do with what I had available at that time...now my 'high expectations' for my children are still being met and although some aren't exactly what I had hoped for, any past disappointments have been dealt with head on by them and they have mostly been turned around by them either with help, desire, or self-determination. I have every reason to be proud and happy with my life and of those I love and serve God in my own way and not have that 'controlled' by others who have decided theirs is the 'only way'.

I just don't read them." That's just what I had in mind. Back in the day, you would have been recruited by Jim Jones or Vernon Howell.
We meet many like you. They don't know, and we can't tell them, that their position is precarious- according to the same Jesus they admire.
Anent the OP, suppose someone slandered your care of your children, and wouldn't listen to your verbal defense? What if you offered them written proof- school or court records, say- but they refused to read them? How would you feel about that?

The 'lectures' begin immediately because I don't agree with what you say or don't follow like a sheep to a slaughter willingly. Read history.....weren't the Jews in Germany's occupation told "get on the trains, we are taking you somewhere safe until the war is over" and they BELIEVED it?

I'm sorry that you can't see that I have my own mind, and although you 'meet many like me', it's obvious that you believe YOURS in the ONLY way and that we are 'misinformed' so you need to 'correct' us.

No thank you....I'm happy in what you see as 'ignorance' but what I see as 'independent belief and faith'. God knows....He's the only One that counts.

As for the documented proof you offered as an example.....I've SEEN those 'documented' records by teachers and school supervisors covering their arses and I've SEEN those 'documented' records from doctors and they've been proven to be WRONG through my OWN experiences. Just because some 'professional' SAYS something or DIAGNOSES you and TREATS you for something THEY have pre-determined to be FACT, doesn't make it so. It just means you have been their 'experiment' for a time and I'm not interested in making someone ELSE look or feel good when it's detrimental to my mental and physical well being. I question EVERYTHING and discard what I myself eventually can PROVE to be bull......and I've done that many times in my life and continue to do so.

Being talked down to doesn't help your cause........

and the like, do I strike you has a "koolaid drinker"? Don't EVER make assumptions about me, dr.......Your post attempting to hit me on a personal level like that is terribly offensive and if these are the tactics you use to 'convert' others to your way of thinking, you will understand why I left my job when the owner of the company, a JW, tried the same crap. As far as I'm personally concerned, JW's are the ones not only drinking the 'koolaid', but are handing it out in a pretty forceful and intimidating way....and holding it over their members' heads with only the leaders coming out on top financially like a Ponzi-scheme. They are threatened with their jobs in many cases....I've seen that first hand. You believe the way you want...I have no right to object to it.... MY beliefs are just as valid as yours but your intolerance for that validity is on a level all its own.

your claim of personal intolerance. In fact, The Jesus you revere DID talk about folks like you, and in an intolerant way. HE did this; we just refer people to those statements when appropriate. The great majority ignore them. Doesn't it comfort you to know that you are part of the great majority?
Your comments about 'written records' are irrelevant, in this way: Do I know about falsified records and corruption? Of course. Did I intend to use such in an example? Of course not, and neither would you. I assume you would give me the benefit of that, as I would for you. So, please revisit my example, put yourself in it, and tell me how you feel. Or, put Jehovah in it. The slanders are the things people say ('He burns people in Hell; He causes people to go to war in His name; He takes children away from their parents to make them angels in Heaven'). His written record, which sanctifies his name, is the Bible, which the great majority are proud to avoid.
History shows that Jones and Howell got their recruits from those who did not check them against God's word. The results were Kool-Aid and gunfire. People like me and you joined them. History.

Your mind is just as closed as you accuse mine of being, dr.....there is no tolerance from your side at all if someone doesn't choose to agree with you. If that isn't 'religious zealousness' I don't know how else to define it. You keep proving my point. Please don't include me in your koolaid joining statements........you have YOUR cult; I don't have one.

Can you please cite one? I recall using Jones as someone to avoid. I recall directing you to the historical record. I recall citing our beliefs that were antithetical to his. I don't recall claiming our use of any such coercions or poisons; they would be felonies almost anywhere. Are you accusing me or us of committing felonies?
These are serious charges, all part of your Koolaid statement. Did you forget to add a smiley? Are you inclined to retract your accusations?
Two more questions: Do you find your Mr Trump a tolerant person? If/when he declares war on another country, are you aware that none of Jehovah's Witnesses will be in the opposing army?

"History shows that Jones and Howell got their recruits from those who did not check them against God's word. The results were Kool-Aid and gunfire. People like me and you joined them. History."

I didn't join anything.....you apparently believe you have.  I don't wish to have you enjoin me in that induction.

Are you suggesting that Trump is the ONLY president who has ever committed us to a war?  Sounds like it to me.  Also, IF we end up in a war, it will be because BO put the USA in situations all across the world for that to happen....even more so as he's walking out the door (that can't slam on his sorry **** fast enough).  Which opposing party do YOU think will come to front of the list first?

People LIKE me and you joined their cults, and the NAZI party, and the Communist party... Others LIKE us were approached but did not join. That is what I said, but you chose to say I joined them. That is not rational discussion.
The President is also CinC of America's armed forces. History shows that when he commands participation in the country's wars, the mainstream religious folks (the kind you don't want any part of) obey. We do not. So, no JWs in the enemy army to threaten you. (We will be in jail or dead, as in the past.) Is that a good thing for you or a bad thing? I will also appreciate direct answers to the other questions I asked.

We have minds of our own........

And that is NOT what you said, dr..........you said people like you and me JOINED them.

I'm done with your nonsense.......go talk to JP.....perhaps you'll both make sense to each other.

HEY!!!!!....I sicced him on you.

It is a true and factual one. You will learn that from a non- biblical source if you read this Atlantic article.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/drinking-the-kool-aid-a-survivor-remembers-jim-jones/248723/
The woman describes her fellows as loving, lovable and workers for good, yet they all died. They came from the same 7-billion-plus population that I and you belong to, yet they all died.
Do you still insist that your remarks about me and my religion are even remotely accurate?

you desire....but understand SO AM I.....

They all died because they were stupid enough to follow an insane person with charisma.....much like Charles Manson. There are gullible people all over the world....look at Bernie Sanders' supporters who then followed hilLIARy into the same pit.

regarding politics, JP? Have I used intimidation or insults to do that? I don't know if you were around here during the 2000 election when all things political got really nasty, but I was a Mod here during that time, and I don't believe I ever pulled a post because someone didn't agree with my opinion.

I tried to explain to drpruner about why I didn't read posts that contain scriptures, and I believe he got carried away with his insults towards me on a personal level just because I held to those reasons. It stopped being a 'discussion' and turned into what dr thought, I believe, was a battle for my 'soul' because I don't believe the same way he does.

I'm perfectly happy with my faith and how I express it...evidently dr isn't for some reason. His way seems to be the only way for him and that's ok, but I won't be 'bullied' into conversion. And I haven't got a clue about why YOU decided to jump into it at this point other than the fact that you are an admitted antagonist.