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Socialized medicine as political weapon?

May 16, 2006 10:20PM PDT

Why not? After all, if government owns an industry, it can then control access to that industry as a means to suppress beliefs it finds wrong or just inconvenient: British anti-abortion protestor denied hip replacement by hospital:

IT IS BAD enough that you can be refused medical treatment on the NHS for eating, drinking or smoking too much. Now it seems that you can be denied an operation for protesting too much in support of your religious or political beliefs.

Edward Atkinson, a 75-year-old anti-abortion activist, was jailed recently for 28 days for sending photographs of aborted foetuses to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in King?s Lynn, Norfolk. That draconian sentence was not deemed punishment enough: the hospital has banned Mr Atkinson from receiving the hip replacement operation he was expecting.

Mr Atkinson sounds like an unpleasant crank, and I am as much in favour of legalised abortion as he is against it. But his treatment (or the lack of it) is a scandal. This is about admitting a man to hospital, not electing him to Parliament. Even unhip old bigots need replacement hips.

Ruth May, the hospital?s chief executive, claims that the ban is justified because the ?offensive? publications he mailed caused ?great distress? to her and her staff and thus contravened the NHS policy of ?zero tolerance?. Some may already feel that such policies make it seem as if a hospital?s priority is to protect its staff against the patients, rather than protecting patients from illness. This case goes farther, equating the posting of offensive photos with punching a nurse on the nose.


I couldn't have said it any better!

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Unrepresentative of any National Health Care plan I know.
May 16, 2006 10:40PM PDT

"IT IS BAD enough that you can be refused medical treatment on the NHS for eating, drinking or smoking too much. Now it seems that you can be denied an operation for protesting too much in support of your religious or political beliefs...." Well, not quite, but this particular Hospital has acted dreadfully, I'd say he has his hip replacement in the next couple of weeks at another facility, because of the bad publicity.

"Mr Atkinson sounds like an unpleasant crank, and I am as much in favour of legalised abortion as he is against it. But his treatment (or the lack of it) is a scandal. This is about admitting a man to hospital, not electing him to Parliament. Even unhip old bigots need replacement hips."

Even the Times thinks this is a repellant idea, I'll be surprised if you can find any newspaper, or frankly any half-way reputable organization to support this action.

This is the response of a single hospital, not of the NHS in general, though please note the first quotation above. The NHS unlike most other National Health schemes reserves the right to deny treatment to people who continue to engage in the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place, like continued smoking in lung cancer or post cancer patients or continued drinking in liver patients. Remember Mickey Mantle who could pay for his two new livers, but couldn't stop drinking.

It certainly wouldn't happen in Canada, and I doubt it would happen anywhere else where there is a National Health Service, but it makes a great scare headline even if it is rubbish. I think if you did any sort of checking you would find that this behavior is completely intolerable to virtually anyone who believes in or works in a National Health Care setting.

Rob

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Gee, Rob,...
May 16, 2006 10:50PM PDT

...it doesn't seem to bother the hospital one bit, now does it? And wouldn't you think that the NHS would have come down really hard on that hospital, perhaps with some sort of punitive sanction? Yet we're left to believe that the NHS did nothing.

I'm glad to see that you believe Canada's NHS would not engage in these shenanigans, nor would any Canadian hospital. However, the story is what it is, and it should give everyone pause that a government bureaucracy is so unaccountable that it can use access to medical care as a way to enforce political beliefs - whatever you or I may think of Mr. Atkinson's beliefs (which don't bother me) or the actions he takes in support of those beliefs (which I find disgusting).

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It strikes me as the logical next step in PC ...
May 16, 2006 11:05PM PDT

Where is the inherent flaw in this series of observations?

The hospital is a government institution in a more-or-less socialist state that has strong, universally applied workplace standards.

Among the standards enforced in its workplace, is (apparently) freedom from exposure to 'oppressive' political opinions. (Never mind that the hospital undoubtedly has a diversity/tolerance program that encourages the employees to value the divergent political and cultural beliefs of their patients. Conservative religious views are rarely considered worthy of tolerance.)

The patient espouses a politically unacceptable and 'oppressive' view that (I'm guessing) labels some of the hospital staff as the equivalent of murderers.
The hospital is therefore forced to act to defend its employees from the patient even though this action impairs the ability of the hospital to fulfill its primary function.

Viewed in this manner I see the described outcome as a more-or-less inevitable result of the combination of political correctness and government bureaucracy. The nanny state has decided that they know what is best for us, that they are entitled to enforce their notion of what is best for us, and then everything else follows.

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Yup, in the middle of all sorts of these kinds of situations
May 17, 2006 2:35AM PDT

You find the words "Zero tolerance".

Those 2 words have caused more idiotic, bone-headed, ridiculous actions than anything else.

BAN ZERO TOLERANCE!

Cindi

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Would that mean...
May 17, 2006 2:24AM PDT

Would that mean that if Evil Knevil had been under a NHS they wouldn't have fixed him up after his first crash? After all, he did " continue to engage in the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place".

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US companies ban bad behavior
May 16, 2006 11:12PM PDT

non-gov employers are firing workers for what they do outside the workplace. New workers aren't hired and long timers are fired for smoking at home. 'Little brother' is looking in your windows. I know you don't have to stay with any company, but firing 30yr, aged 55 for their personal legal lifestyle ain't right.

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(NT) (NT) Why not start your own thread?
May 16, 2006 11:14PM PDT
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Sounds like our HUD Secretary and Federal contracts...
May 16, 2006 11:26PM PDT

And neither action is right (or presumably legal), btw.

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