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Socialized medicare?

Feb 22, 2020 6:13AM PST

How 'bout socialized farming?

DJT tweet...HE used all caps....

IF OUR FORMALLY TARGETED FARMERS NEED ADDITIONAL AID UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE TRADE DEALS WITH CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA AND OTHERS FULLY KICK IN, THAT AID WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, PAID FOR OUT OF THE MASSIVE TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!

RE: TARIFF MONEY COMING INTO THE USA!

Already coming in, or is this money that will/MIGHT be coming in, like the money that Mexico was going to pay for "The Wall"?

Aren't "tariffs" paid for by the consumer? Isn't the consumer usually the taxpayer?

Did this guy just put his head on the chopping block?

Trump's chief of staff Mick Mulvaney just admitted Republicans are total hypocrites on cutting the federal deficit

"My party is very interested in deficits when there is a Democrat in the White House. The worst thing in the whole world is deficits when Barack Obama was the president," Mulvaney said. "Then Donald Trump became president, and we're a lot less interested as a party."

PS...FORMALLY targeted? I would have went with FORMERLY targeted

PS#2...I should have said did this guy just put his head on the chopping block for the 2nd time...He is the same bonehead that made the "of course it' s quid pro quo" statement. Exactly what is he holding over Trumps head?

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A real doubt.
Mar 5, 2020 12:45PM PST

That is of course a reference to the bilateral deal the Trump administration struck with Mexico late last month to much fanfare. To be clear, it's likely that a deal with Mexico, however beneficial for both sides, would be met with only a lukewarm reception on Capitol Hill if Canada is not involved.

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Canada is already involved
Mar 7, 2020 3:54AM PST

The deal was signed by both Houses last month and included Canada, hence the USMCA (US, Mexico, Canada Act)...where have you been?

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Trump was asked about the federal deficit
Mar 7, 2020 4:07AM PST

in his town hall the other night....he stated that he focused the first couple of years to rebuilding our military, which he's done, and that the federal deficit will be focused on during his second term.

As for the farmers, they have always been subsidized by both parties holding the Oval for a large number of years, even to the point of paying them to NOT plant crops when other countries were producing and importing here so as to keep the prices stable, which was always ridiculous considering the 'trade deals' that were in place pretty much guaranteeing that small farms would fall and allow larger farming corporations to eat them all up. Our farming industries were pretty well trashed by not allowing them to plant and sell to the US and depend on other countries to ship in what we could have grown here handily. And, yes, JP, there were certain crops that were grown overseas that we could such as rice, but to tell farmers NOT to grow corn was stupid as hell when you consider that corn is in nearly every product sold here in addition to using it as feed and as a gasoline additive. And bowing to the big seed companies, such as Monsanto and Dow 25 years ago to produce and force farmers into buying seed that couldn't be used by the farmers from year to year because the new seed was genetically altered, and continues to be, put many farmers into bankruptcy because they could use their own seed anymore that they used to use for next year's crops. The unfortunate but very real consequence was also that farmers that still reused their own seed would be sued for theft by those companies if their farm was close enough to a genetically engineered farm that the wind or a bird dropping produced a living plant on their property by accident. And this practice continues today....

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RE:he focused the first couple of years to
Mar 7, 2020 5:56AM PST
he focused the first couple of years to rebuilding our military,

Not THAT focused.

I heard HE took/appropriated money that was allocated to "the military' and redirected that money to the wall that Mexico was going to pay for.

So I looked to confirm what I heard....

These Are The Military Projects Losing Funding To Trump's Border Wall

The Pentagon revealed on Wednesday the full list of $3.6 billion in military construction projects that will get shelved to help build a wall along the U.S.- Mexico border, according to documents obtained by NPR.

Lawmakers from Virginia to Arizona learned their states will lose millions in military construction projects as part of the plan.


Here's a headline from your favourite news "source".....Trump touts court ruling allowing military funds for border wall construction Link provided upon request.

HE "focused" so much that HE budgeted too much for the military? HE didn't want to lose face by coming out and asking/demanding the money for the wall so HE took the money out of another "pocket"?

Who's going to pay for the wall?....MEXICO!!!!!

Mexico and Military both begin with "M"....so I guess HE got the first letter correct in where the money will come from.

Speaking of Mick Mulvaney...he's been shipped off to Northern Ireland.....That'll show him.....Northern Ireland? ...the "chopping block" of the North Atlantic
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Good grief..talk about a Dem spin
Mar 7, 2020 9:37AM PST

The money he got from the Pentagon was money already allocated the previous years for military construction and most of that was for reconstruction in OTHER countries. Just how much construction do YOU think was going on to the few military bases we have left in this country thanks to Bill C closing most of them in the USA during his presidency? So taking SURPLUS money from the Pentagon that WASN'T being used here went to the wall that Pelosi's House wouldn't give him was completely legal and the courts agreed with him. Boo-hoo, JP

I don't think you are aware of how our annual budgets work here with regard to the government. IF any department is allocated X-amount of money and they haven't spent it all during the fiscal year it was appropriated for, it disappears and gets taken back by the government to be reallocated into the new budget but NOT as ADDITIONAL budget funding. For example..Pentagon gets in 2017 (to be used in 201Cool in that October budget $35B. In 2018, they only use $30B of it, the other $5B never gets sent over....it's lost forever. In October 2018 a NEW 2019 budget gets okayed and the Pentagon now gets $35B again...and the cycle happens again. (Of course, when politicians say they have 'cut' the budget by 10%, they are only talking about cutting the MANDATORY 10% INCREASE each department gets every year, and not the ACTUAL budget. That practice, all by itself, has to cease and desist. AND departments have to be radically cut back to cut the ACTUAL total expense every year as well in order to begin to shrink our government, but I don't know ANY politicians on either side really ready to do that since so many get kickbacks from lobbyists for their own departmental agendas.

Who cares, but Dems and you, about where Mulvaney ends up? He was only TEMPORARILY in that position anyhow.

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Good Grief....
Mar 7, 2020 12:13PM PST

So the Republicans/YOU/DJT don't want to talk about Mexico NOT paying for the wall....

I understand..

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RE:SURPLUS money from the Pentagon that WASN'T
Mar 7, 2020 1:26PM PST
SURPLUS money from the Pentagon that WASN'T being used

SURPLUS Money?...Mad money?

IF I had any SURPLUS Money....I would use it to pay down any DEBT I might have.

Of course, I'm not concerned about keeping election promises....(being shown as a LIAR)

BTW... the money wasn't "from the Pentagon"...it was FROM the taxpayer....

When you are running a deficit...there is NO SURPLUS money.
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Yep...divert and deflect again, JP
Mar 7, 2020 2:54PM PST

Money doesn't come ONLY from taxpayers, you know....there are numerous ways that the government gets funding, including tariffs.
When an agency that gets a certain sum of money from a budget that both Houses and the President agree on and they don't spend it all during that fiscal year, it is considered to be a surplus and gets sent back to the Treasury. Why do you think projects don't get completed or get shut down in the middle of them when those departments realize they can't spend it all in time? They put off finishing the job until the next budget or they get cancelled (stupid since millions were already spent on it). About 8 years ago, there was a major project the Navy wanted done, and Derek had a part in setting up securing a building, ordering office furniture and equipment, etc. and just as it was supposed to get started finally, BO's Pentagon shut the whole thing down and the money spent on it (millions) was completely wasted. It was never restarted the following year and I asked Derek about it just recently and he said the whole thing got cancelled. You never hear about these types of things but spending $800 for a hammer or tanks that the military didn't want gets heavy coverage by the press every time.

Does Canada balance their government budget, JP? Do you even know if your country runs a deficit? Funny how our States' governors are required by law to balance every year but the Federal government here doesn't have to. It's pathetic how wasteful they are because of lobbyists.

Where exactly did Trump lie about a campaign promise to balance the budget and pay down the National Deficit during his campaign? I know he complained about it a few times, but I don't recall any actual promise to pay it down. Can you find that speech for me? Thanks. Of course, BO called Bush unpatriotic and unAmerican for having an ANNUAL deficit of $500B....and promised to cut that deficit in half. Then he went and jacked it up to over a trillion for nearly five years in a row, and by the time he left office it was cut in half. BUT everyone forgets that he never cut BUSH'S deficit in half like he promised....he cut his OWN in half bringing it back down to Bush's actual deficit. What fools you all were/are.

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RE:Money doesn't come ONLY from taxpayers,
Mar 7, 2020 5:25PM PST
Money doesn't come ONLY from taxpayers, there are numerous ways that the government gets funding, including tariffs.

I guess YOU think that "taxpayers" are NOT also "consumers/payers of tariffs".

Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States. Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices

I've never met a "taxpayer" that didn't consume a good, buy some product and as a result pay the price/tariff.
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RE:Where exactly did Trump lie about a campaign promise
Mar 7, 2020 5:52PM PST
Where exactly did Trump lie about a campaign promise to balance the budget and pay down the National Deficit during his campaign?

What I said was
So the Republicans/YOU/DJT don't want to talk about Mexico NOT paying for the wall....
Of course, I'm not concerned about keeping election promises....(being shown as a LIAR)


THAT was the campaign promise (MEXICO WILL PAY for the wall) that he was using Pentagon money to try and fulfill.

Now

Feb 4, 2020 - President Trump vowed during the State of the Union address to build more than 500 miles of wall on the southern border by early 2021, blowing ... Trump's 2020 campaign debuted the slogan, "Finish the Wall," at his first rally ...

Which department is HE going to pull that money from?

I'm fairly certain Mexico isn't going to pay for it....What do YOU think?

Will Mexico pay for "the WALL"?

Yes OR No?

My next question will depend on whether you answer Yes OR No.
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THIS is EXACTLY what you said
Mar 8, 2020 9:22AM PDT

AND in the order in which you said it.... "IF I had any SURPLUS Money....I would use it to pay down any DEBT I might have.
Of course, I'm not concerned about keeping election promises....(being shown as a LIAR)"

There was NO mention of the wall or Mexico at that point...it came a post LATER. Spin away, JP.

As for Mexico paying for the wall....in a very REAL way they are already. They have posted their own army along the border to stop illegals from entering into the USA saving US millions of dollars by reducing the number of border agents and equipment we WERE using on OUR side.

As for the 500 miles timeline, he's using approximate dates because nearly all of that 500 miles will be done by the end of THIS year according to the stats and the fast pace that it's going up now that most of the land needed has been acquired from landowners. That's not a broken campaign promise, but you can't say the same about Dems all across the country who campaigned in 2018 on promises to work WITH the President and 'get things done' then spent their entire terms for some trying to impeach him instead. It doesn't matter how many bills Pelosi tries to brag about that the House has sent over the Senate when she KNOWS ahead of time that NONE would ever pass even if Mitch put them up for a vote because NONE would have Republican support there since they're so far left....and even if Romney voted with them, there still wouldn't be enough votes to pass it....and if by some miracle, they GOT enough votes, Trump would veto it. THAT does NOT constitute keeping campaign promises just like Republicans during BO's terms kept voting to repeal Obamacare...KNOWING Reid would pocket those bills and BO would veto them anyhow. Obamacare would have been gone already if ONE vindictive Senator hadn't lied to the rest of his Republican friends in the Senate about how he would vote just to stick it to Trump and not give a crap about the people in his State who trusted him. He was dying and went out in a blaze of revenge rather than glory.

Yes or No???? What are you, some prosecutor that doesn't want a actual answer because it might break his storyline? As a matter of fact, why do you think you are entitled to only ASK questions and never answer any when you are asked one?

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RE:There was NO mention of the wall or Mexico at that point.
Mar 8, 2020 12:27PM PDT
There was NO mention of the wall or Mexico at that point...it came a post LATER. Spin away, JP.


it came LATER than the very first post?

IF you want to check the very first post (look up....LOOK WAAYYY UP) in this thread, made by me...you will see mention of

Already coming in, or is this money that will/MIGHT be coming in, like the money that Mexico was going to pay for "The Wall"?
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And YOU said
Mar 8, 2020 1:11PM PDT

Money doesn't come ONLY from taxpayers, you know....there are numerous ways that the government gets funding, including tariffs.

And I showed that taxpayers PAY tariffs.

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RE:Who cares, but Dems and you, about where Mulvaney ends up
Mar 8, 2020 1:00PM PDT

DJT cares...He's the one that determined that Mulvaney is out of DJTs "field of vision".

DJT sent Mulvaney home to momma?

This interesting Irish surname is recorded in the spellings Mulvaney, Mulvany, and Mulvenna. It is an anglicized spelling of the Gaelic "O' Maoilmheana", meaning "the descendant of the devotee of (St.) Meana". "Meana" is a personal name thought to have derived from "mion", meaning mite or small.

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The military is socialism, of course. 100%.
Mar 9, 2020 3:54PM PDT

Late last year Rueters printed a lengthy report on many severe problems in military housing. Ranging from wasted money to severe health problems.
Congress harrumphed and gestured and formed its own panel. The results:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-tenants-idUSKBN20R318
"A sweeping U.S. military housing reform plan, pitched as a way to protect service families from shoddy homes and unresponsive landlords, has been watered down to remove several protections tenants and Congress had sought."
Read the article to learn which group had the final say. DOD? Tenants? Gov't watchdog?