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So, what charges might Mueller be investigating/considering?

Dec 2, 2017 7:34AM PST
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So what charges could Mueller bring against the remaining Trump officials who aren’t already charged, and, most especially, Trump himself? An excellent place to look is 18 U.S. Code § 4 -- Misprision of felony: “Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

The “felony” that was committed was theft of the Democratic Party emails by the Russians. We already know that no one on the Trump campaign reported the theft of the emails to the authorities. Instead, Trump weaponized them against Hillary Clinton by using them more than 160 times to attack his opponent during the campaign. Judging by the Trump people Mueller has questioned, and the nature of the information he is seeking from them, it seems a sure thing that he is looking at charging Trump officials and Trump himself with obstruction of justice in the firing of Comey, and perhaps in the way Trump leaned on the heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency (as well as Comey himself) to end the Russia investigation. On Friday, thanks to the New York Times, we learned that Trump spent the summer calling senators and congressmen on the intelligence committees, asking them to end the Russia investigation.


So...it appears "NOT REPORTING something" is the same as "LYING" to the FBI.

Never mind "rigging an election"

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That would never "stick"
Dec 2, 2017 9:59AM PST

First one must know difference between what is a felony and a misdemeanor, and which such activity qualified for. Second, Trump didn't know about it till everyone else did too, he just picked it up from the news like you and me. Third, he was therefore under no compulsion to reveal that which was already known and widely disseminated. Fourth, it's the President's responsibility to know what all the heads of all the bureacracies are doing, at all times, which means he was doing his job. Fifth, "a felony cognizable by a court of the United States" means it had to be something "clearly identifiable" or recognized by a court, which seems to mean those who have information about a felony which has already been brought before a court for prosecution. Until then it's not "cognizable by a court". Sixth, Trump was entirely appropriate in firing Comey for his activities concerning Hillary Clinton and Comey's lack of pursuing justice properly in that matter. You fail to do your job, you get fired. That's what happened to Comey.

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RE: You fail to do your job, you get fired.
Dec 2, 2017 10:28AM PST

You fail to do your job, you get fired. That's what happened to Comey.

AND IF/WHEN YOU don't stop investigating when HE tells you to...YOU get fired.......

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If America is lucky
Dec 2, 2017 10:37AM PST

We don't need all this strife about nothing. It's been a year, time for all the losers to get used to it and settle down. They will get another chance to elect some other crook like Hillary then if they want.

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RE:Second, Trump didn't know about it till
Dec 2, 2017 11:10AM PST

Second, Trump didn't know about it till everyone else did too,

And then he told Comey to back off....back off?...because Flynn did something illegal?

IF TheRUMP didn't think Flynn did something wrong...what's the problem?

There goes your ignorance of the law defense.....

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RE:"a felony cognizable by a court of the United States"
Dec 2, 2017 11:48AM PST

"a felony cognizable by a court of the United States" means it had to be something "clearly identifiable" or recognized by a court, which seems to mean those who have information about a felony which has already been brought before a court for prosecution.

it may "seem to mean" to you but it doesn't

Cognizable means capable of being known or considered.

They didn't think hacking someones email account was a crime?

I thought he was going to surround himself with the best people? I take it that the "best people" didn't include the "best lawyers".

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He didn't know about it..
Dec 2, 2017 12:44PM PST

....till everyone else did. See how simple that is to understand? If you haven't noticed this yet, most of what Trump learns and tweets about are from media headlines. You sure give him a lot of credit for knowing more than everyone else. If you want to pursue someone who knew a lot before everyone else, then go after Hillary, and Bill.

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RE: He didn't know about it.
Dec 2, 2017 7:34PM PST
He didn't know about it ....til everyone else did. See how simple that is to understand?


That's HIS story and he's sticking to it...until some other info shows up....


AND when he ()and everyone else) did find out about the email hack....HE and everyone else decided to contact the Russians and use it to help influence the election?

Did YOU or any of your neighbours contact the Russians?
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no he didn't
Dec 2, 2017 9:21PM PST

quit making up fake news, or falling victim to it.

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RE:quit making up fake news, or falling victim to it.
Dec 3, 2017 6:33AM PST

I don't know what HE knew...YOU know what HE didn't know?

And I'm the one making up fake news or falling victim to it?

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Mueller is painting a picture
Dec 3, 2017 12:33AM PST

A brush stroke at a time.
I don't think he knows what the final picture will look like.
Once the picture starts to take shape he will have a better idea which way to go.

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First....there is still NO proof that Russia itself
Dec 3, 2017 1:12PM PST

hacked into the DNC emails.....because the DNC REFUSED TO LET THE FBI LOOK AT THEIR COMPUTERS. They had an 'independent' company do it and THEY stated it was hacked by Russia-LIKE tactics and the FBI ran with it and leaked that information to the press. There were only THREE intelligence agencies that came to that 'conclusion' based on an 'independent' computer check since they weren't able to do it themselves.

Second....Is it possible that the DNC, by reporting it to the FBI as a Russian hack WITHOUT PROOF of it, LIED to the FBI? Isn't it the FBI's JOB to VERIFY information they are given? Guess not, since they took that fake dossier and leaked it to the newspapers as TRUE and actually partially PAID for the MSI-agent that made it up.

Third....Trump never told Comey to 'back off'....he stated "I hope you can see your way to let it go". BIG difference, JP.

Fourth....stop making up your own news stories or you'll get suspended without pay for four weeks....Ask ABC about that.

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RE:Third....Trump never told Comey to 'back off'....
Dec 3, 2017 1:47PM PST
Third....Trump never told Comey to 'back off'....he stated "I hope you can see your way to let it go". BIG difference, JP.


That's correct he didn't use those words...

I was paraphrasing...

"Let it go/back off"...and you can keep you job

DON'T "let it go"/back off and you're fired?

back off
1.
draw back from action or confrontation.

let it go

let it ˈgo (at ˈthat) say or do nothing more about something
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RE:"I hope you can see your way to let it go".
Dec 3, 2017 1:51PM PST

"I hope you can see your way to let it go". BIG difference, JP.

Do you mean the difference between "hoping" and "telling" someone to do something?

HE should keep HIS "hopes and dreams" to HIMself...some might consider them to be orders....

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Next you'll be telling people that
Dec 3, 2017 2:13PM PST
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Actually, I'm kind of
Dec 4, 2017 6:20AM PST

'hoping/telling' him to investigate one of his OWN team that he had to stick into the HR position at the FBI with a 'demotion' months ago without telling anyone about it. "The fix was in from the start to find a crime.....ANY crime....even if it DOESN'T have anything to do with Trump"????

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Mueller is gathering the facts
Dec 4, 2017 6:47AM PST

If it leads to Trump....fine.
If it does not lead to Trump....fine.

I'm sure there are some people who would like him to change direction and investigate BO but that's not what he's tasked with.

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Flynn and what the Feds are asking is interesting.
Dec 4, 2017 9:03AM PST

I was amused when it looks like the Feds will be asking him to spy for them and more.
Here's the show and skip to the section on Flynn after the 40 minute mark.

This section starts at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79GYaXegGZg&t=2460s

But where it gets interesting is the plea agreement which starts at about 52 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79GYaXegGZg&t=3175s is where the Plea Agreement begins.

Listen carefully after the 56 minute mark about the Cooperation section of the agreement.
This -> "participating in covert law enforcement activities". That's very interesting.
"So he agrees to spy if he has to." - French at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79GYaXegGZg&t=3406s


You asked about charges, I found the Plea Agreement to be very interesting as well.

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Having him spy
Dec 4, 2017 11:53AM PST

as part of a Plea Agreement is beyond ridiculous since there isn't anybody in any department that would actually trust him enough now to talk in his presence or over a phone. LOL Leave it to the Government to screw up even THAT.........

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RE:trust him enough now
Dec 4, 2017 11:57AM PST

The "trap" is already sprung....NOW doesn't matter.

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What 'trap'?
Dec 5, 2017 7:44AM PST

The only trap was that the FBI already had the transcripts of conversations Flynn had when they went to the WH to 'talk' to him.....Flynn didn't know it was an 'investigation/interrogation' and wasn't aware that he should have had his attorney present. It was a 'conversation' in his opinion or he wouldn't have even met with the FBI at that point. AND that entire 'conversation' might ultimately end up in a REAL courtroom with an appeal and an overturned guilty plea IF it turns out that the FBI used that PAID FOR dossier to get the FISA warrant to spy on Trump's team in the first place, since it was all bogus to begin with.....including this 'special prosecutor' crap.

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Flynn
Dec 5, 2017 8:11AM PST

Flynn knew very well there was an investigation going on.

He knew the FBI was not calling for a social visit.

Now Mueller has an inside man and he's going to squeeze him.

Your idol may not last 4 years.

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Do you honestly believe that the FBI
Dec 5, 2017 1:16PM PST

only has contact with a Foreign Affairs Advisor to the President when they are investigating him or anybody else within a month of the election? There was no reason for Flynn to suspect that he or anybody else was under investigation in December, 2016, Bob....a meeting with the FBI or any other intelligence agency would be normal at the WH for briefings otherwise he would have been called over to the FBI building instead, doncha think?

As for Mueller having an 'inside guy'......you're right....it was his OWN FBI 'investigator' who is under the gun right now, and he was 'inside' for the LIAR who lost.

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RE:doncha think?
Dec 5, 2017 1:21PM PST

I haven't seen THAT term here in a while....

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Flynn
Dec 5, 2017 7:42PM PST

Knew that what he was telling the FBI was fiction.

Now Mueller has an inside man to squeeze about Trump and his team.

Clinton is not under investigation.

Mueller moved this biased investigator off his squad.

Non issue.

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He also removed
Dec 6, 2017 4:45AM PST

the lover of that investigator because she was ALSO on the 'team'.

He STILL has Weissman on the team........the most aggressive and unethical prosecutor you could have with a reputation for having most of his notorious 'convictions' overturned by SCOTUS by unanimous (9-0) decisions, including causing tens of thousands of people to lose their jobs in the Enron scandal and many innocent people convicted of 'crimes' they never committed

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RE: What 'trap'?
Dec 5, 2017 8:35AM PST
What 'trap'? The only trap was that the FBI already had the transcripts of conversations


The "trap" that YOU claim would have Flynn acting as a "spy" as part of a plea agreement.

YOUR WORDS

Having him spy as part of a Plea Agreement

as part of a Plea Agreement is beyond ridiculous since there isn't anybody in any department that would actually trust him enough now to talk in his presence or over a phone. LOL Leave it to the Government to screw up even THAT.........

trust him enough NOW?...How bout trust him enough THEN...BEFORE the trap was sprung/the word got out that he entered a guilty plea?
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I referred to him as a spy, JP, because you or Bob
Dec 5, 2017 1:17PM PST

said that was part of his Plea Agreement and I called it ridiculous. Get your facts straight at least.

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RE:I referred to him as a spy, JP, because you or Bob
Dec 5, 2017 8:04PM PST

Another possibility is YOU got the word "spy" from this..do you recall reading this in this thread?

I was amused when it looks like the Feds will be asking him to spy for them and more.
Here's the show and skip to the section on Flynn after the 40 minute mark.

Listen carefully after the 56 minute mark about the Cooperation section of the agreement.
This -> "participating in covert law enforcement activities". That's very interesting.
"So he agrees to spy if he has to." -


YOU don't consider "participating in covert law enforcement activities" to be "spying"?

So YOU consider it "ridiculous", BUT Flynn agrees to do it?

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While it is interesting, next question is how many others?
Dec 4, 2017 12:09PM PST

While it's interesting to see the "spy for us" clause in the plea agreement this can't be that unique.

-> I didn't point another section in the plea agreement. If you can spend the time there is a section where Flynn is going to pay for his incarceration and more.

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RE: Leave it to the Government
Dec 4, 2017 12:12PM PST
Leave it to TheRUMP .....RESPECT...he doesn't have any respect

After he had repeatedly railed against professional athletes over perceived slights to the American flag and military, President Donald Trump joked on Wednesday about a bugle call that is part of the armed forces' time-honored tradition of showing respect for the Stars and Stripes.

The bugle call occurred during Trump's interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity, conducted in an airplane hangar used by the Pennsylvania Air National Guard in Harrisburg and before the president's address on tax revision.

"What a nice sound that is. Are they playing that for you or for me?" Trump said before turning to the audience. "They're playing that in honor of his ratings," he added, referring to the popularity of Hannity's news program.

Did he even recognize what was being played...I know he WAS in a military academy...back when dinosaurs roamed the earth....but I think he should remember that tune......

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