So......How will this work?

The part of the "plan" I have a problem with is...

Putting people that are found in America (NOT Mexican citizens) and transporting them to Mexico and saying...Here Mexico...they're YOUR problem now.....YOU handle it/them.

No "proof" of how they got where they are today(illegally in America)...., how they got into America...(assumptions don't count)

Want Mexico to handle YOUR problem...PAY Mexico?

Capture someone from Brazil Illegally in America?...Fly them home FROM America...eliminate the middle man (Mexico), take care of your own business.

They are to be expelled through the door from which they entered the country rather than be transported to the country from which they began their journey. I could wonder just how we could always know their country of origin or even the last country in which they settled before re-embarking on their journey to the US. Suppose they said their destination was Canada and they were just passing through. What would you have them do? Maybe the plan to send them back on the same path isn't ideal but what would you do to make it better?

I could also see this plan as being an incentive for Mexico to plug its own leaks. If you live two doors down from someone whose menacing dog regularly comes into your yard through a breach in your neighbors fence, does it do any good to just take the dog back to its owner? It seems to me that a better idea is to encourage your neighbor to fix their fence. If they won't do it, put the dog back in the neighbor's yard and block the hole it's been using to get into your yard. Maybe your neighbor will get the hint. It's not ideal but I don't see it as unfair.

I would take the dog back to my neighbour (ONCE)and mention the hole in the fence......IF the dog came back...I would repair the fence on my side...take the bill to my neighbour...IF they won't pay for MY work...take my neighbour to Judge Judy....get reimbursed for the money I spent on the fence...

It seems like Trump wants to bring everybodys "dog" to Mexico and tell them to handle it...

RE:Maybe the plan to send them back on the same path isn't ideal but what would you do to make it better?

Whether it makes it "better"? It won't make it any worse.....

What would I do?...as I said...

...Fly them home FROM America...eliminate the middle man (Mexico), take care of your own business.

Take a person from Brazil (illegal found on American soil) to the nearest airport, Buy a ticket for $200, Put them on a Delta flight, send them home to Brazil.

Spend 3 months walking/hitchhiking from Brazil to the Mexico/US border....get caught, put on a plane and you're "back home" in 3 days? After 2 or 3 trips they'll get tired. Each time they get caught...cut off one of their appendages?


RE:Suppose they said their destination was Canada and they were just passing through.

Well ONE thing I wouldn't do, is....provide them with transportation to the Canadian border...Do you think Mexico is "providing transportation" to people headed for America?

I don't know if you've thought about how the border works....They don't stop you on the way OUT of a country...they stop you on the way IN.....

from Laredo to Rio but it might get you a rubber raft with paddle and a push-off from Galveston. I'd agree that we'd be foolish to provide transportation to Canada for someone who entered illegally here but I don't see it less foolish to be willing to pay their way back home to South America either. I also read, but cannot confirm, that many Middle Eastern folks have been passing through Mexico on their way to the US. Seems to me like they'd be going a little bit out of their way using that route. I suppose they could say that they wanted to see the Aztec ruins during their trip here. Maybe our border patrol shouldn't think that to be suspicious.

Do you have a "plan"?

They came to America to work and earn money?

Put them to work...for food and lodging...."slave labour"?

What would you do with "illegals"?

they should be turned back. To me, it's that simple. Our problem here isn't that we don't have laws. It's that they have been selectively enforced for so long that enforcing them more stringently becomes difficult. That difficulty is magnified when the debate enters the political arena and politicians vie for the votes of persons who themselves or family members of theirs have come to the US in mixed ways...some legal and some not. We need to make up our mind as to whether or not the laws need to change but, IMO, we need to enforce them as is until change is made. It does mean some will feel pain and some will feel that pain through no fault of their own. We did this to ourselves and need to admit it.

Back then, some were still alive for whom that was a serious problem. The 1910 Revolution and aftermath left them with lifetime enemies "back home".
For background on others, including the Welsh (!), there's Island of Hope, Island of Tears; Brownstone et al.; Metrobooks, 1979; epilogue 2000.

and were pretty much allowed to stay once here (just like the 'wet foot/dry foot' response to Cubans). However, under BO, they didn't have to SNEAK in....his directives to border agents was to just let them in no matter what and give them a paper court order to show up in a few months (that didn't work out to well since most disappeared and never showed up). Huge difference, JP. And tens of thousands were pouring into this country during BO's last two years in office...even to the point where our own government was advertising in Mexico how they could go about getting foodstamps and other aid once they got here. Hell, they were coming in and literally walking up to border agents and surrendering, knowing they wouldn't be sent back right that second like they should have been and would have been previously.

And, yes, Mexico DID let them into America....no matter what country they originally came from, Mexico never arrested ANY of them, took the money from the coyotes as bribes and let them continue on their journey to our border. Their southern border with Central America is an extremely long distance from the USA border.......and Mexico's law 'enforcement' did NOTHING to stop the traffic flow....and THAT border is tiny compared to ours. They could have stopped it cold right from the beginning and didn't.

If you don't need a visum for Mexico (or have it), there's nothing illegal in being and travelling in Mexico. Can you explain what Mexican law the Mexican law enforcement should have used to arrest them and send them back against their will?

You wouldn't dare to say, I assume, that law enforcement should do anything else than enforcing the law. So please name the law(s) that apply in this case. If you can't, can you then admit it was nonsense what you suggested.

needed/required to enter Mexico from the USA and/or Canada....OTHER countries require the same documents that may include a visa. Passports are definitely required from all though, even though a passport CARD can be substituted.

http://gomexico.about.com/od/entryrequirements/qt/travel_documents.htm

A quick search on your own would have answered your own questions, but laziness/research on your part seems to abound lately, JP. I'm guessing that's why you demanded I provide it for you because you had already done so, discovered I was right and you couldn't find anything to prove me wrong, but couldn't resist demanding it anyhow.

So Mexico COULD HAVE/SHOULD HAVE stopped people from entering their country from anywhere, including through Central America and DIDN'T BOTHER TO TURN THEM AWAY. When you have a government as corrupt as Mexico's is and has been for so many years, coyotes and drug cartels know whose palms to grease and do it often.

Why the jab?

This are the rules for Bolivians, for example:
"A passport is necessary, and in some cases, a visa is also required. Contact the Mexican embassy or consulate nearest you for more information about the requirements specific to your situation.

So if you are from Bolivia, and are in Mexico, you are illegal if you don't have a Bolivian passport and if you don't have a visa when it would have been required.
You see I did my homework.

Now are you implying that the border agents on the southern borders of Mexico, or in Mexican ports or on Mexican airports, don't check passports and visa? Because they are corrupt or so?

And what's the role of the drug cartels in letting these Bolivians pass the border or not checking their visa when they walk on the street after being let into the country by those corrupt border agents? That's not clear to me. Are these drug cartels part of the law enforcement?

Apart from confirming what I said, your post just seems more nonsense to me.

Of course, the USA border agents do their duty. That's why there are so few illegals in the USA, isn't it?
Or, maybe, if there are more than a few, are the Americans are as corrupt as Mexicans?

for dental work. Much cheaper down there and of equal quality. Pre-Trump-flaming, they had to get a special passport, which seems to function also as a visa to Juarez only, for about $200. We have friends in El Paso TX, a virtual twin city, who went with them and know all the rules. Everything went fine.
I don't know how this fits with regular passport rules, but it all seemed quite normal and businesslike.
BTW travel in Juarez is NOT advised under certain conditions, like after dark, women alone etc. A deadly city. In fact, one can understand why a resident might consider the US a much better place to live ...

I have been going back and fourth from the US to Mexico. Mexico to the US for
over 15 Years 2 to 3 times a week most weeks and was only asked for my Passport only 1 Time.
My Car Registration about 5 times because they like to take peoples cars.

This is the Busiest Boarding Crossing in the United States.
I don't believe they can get to know everyone's face and no one just gets waived through. They have a butt load of youngster Tax Assessors looking in your car windows and there is also a Machine that gives a red or green light.
If you don't have a lot of things in your trunk of your car or in your car. Then they tell you to pass. I have only been asked for car registration one time and my new passport card has been shown 1 time. This isn't just 500 people a Day. Do some research this is Thousands and Thousands of people every day. The Assessors are different day by day also. Leaving Mexico to go to the United States you have Homeland Security Officers checking Credentials as people Enter. Going back into Mexico they are only looking for Goods Purchased from the US and they Tax people if the Cost is over a Certain Amount. This is the Southern Border not the Northern.
This is Mexico not Canada..

on your car. It might have a few more pounds weight going north than it had going south. The dealers were good at packing bags of drugs into odd spaces in it.
I think that has all changed now.
The dentist we use has good parking near the border and a shuttle bus to the clinic. First class operation.

I think very few people in Mexico know their Own rights and even less the Laws. And the Police know even less about the Laws. The Police only need to collect enough $$$ to Pay their Supervisor for letting them go out and rob the people. Mexican Law is what ever they say it is. And your going to Pay here or at the Office.

IF you want to believe that..

Border agents don't prevent people from leaving a country...they prevent them from entering...Them's the facts.

OR they let them in.....

and collected heavily in that bargain. Do you admit that or are you only interested in trashing a small handful of the USA border agents? There's a huge difference between a few here and there on OUR side compared to the ENTIRE Mexican government doing it on a daily basis, JP.

I "admit"

It is NOT the duty/responsibility of Mexican Border Patrol to "prevent" anyone from crossing INTO the USA....

THAT is the responsibility of US Border Agents...and included in their job description...

While the Border Patrol has changed dramatically since its inception in 1924, its primary mission remains unchanged: to detect and prevent the illegal entry of aliens into the United States.

until BO....during HIS tenure, their mission was to allow as many illegals (from ANY country that uses Mexico as a pass thru) that show up and they did in the tens of thousands.

IF we only contended with Mexicans coming like it used to be to 'find work', that was bad enough, but Mexico also has a responsibility both to the USA and Canada to prevent OTHER countries' illegals from entering into their OWN country and they DON'T....and until they DO, the wall is a necessity for the first time.

It was a 4 million illegals problem during Reagan's administration, got worse during Carter, Bill Clinton wanted them expelled, GWB wanted the 'bad ones' deported along with a wall/fence built which Congress appropriated money for and wanted immigration reform that couldn't even pass with Dem support, and BO wanted ALL of that ignored and pushed those directives. During Reagan, he agreed to the amnesty for those 4M with the deal in place with Dems that he would get his tax cuts passed....but once he signed the bill to allow the amnesty, the Dems flipped and refused to give him the tax cuts they agreed to. He got some but nothing like what they promised. He finally got the rest during his second term when Republicans led by Newt took over both Houses. Now thirty years later with little action, the illegals number anywhere from 11M to 18M depending on who's issuing the reports, with most of them showing up during the last 8 years.....and illegals are those who crossed the border physically as well as those who got here on legal visas, let them expire, and never left. The visa illegals number roughly half of the total and that absolutely has to change by tracking in any way possible so they can immediately be picked up and deported as the document expires. Even after 9-11, GWB and BO did NOTHING to change how visas work and you would think it would/should be a priority.

Do you think it looked like THIS, when they "let them into America"?

A Somali man tosses his family's luggage over the the U.S.-Canada border in front of a U.S. Border Patrol agent near Hemmingford, Que., on Friday, February 17, 2017.

I am an American living in Mexico for 15 years. You can get into Mexico with little to No Problems.
They don't check Passports or Identifications. They just want to see what you have that can make you pay their Tax on. Its like robbing the people at the border. Its the way of Mexico.
And Mexico's President don't want any U.S. Help with its Corruption Issues as he is getting his Check to. Or easier to say he is in on it, or is a Major Part of the Problem.
The people here have a lot of Pride. But I don't know why. They are Blind to the Fact that the Government is robbing the people blind. The Police don't Serve and Protect,. Instead they rob the people. People fear the Police more than the Gangs. The Police are like Dogs here. Show some fear and they eat you alive. Tijuana is full of people trying to get into the United States.
This New Administration just taking over Office in Tijuana has the City Broke. They only pick up Trash but every 2 to 3 weeks now as there is no money for Truck Repairs or New Trucks. No Street Lights. The Streets have Holes that can swallow a car. To Me. Mexico is Very Depressing. Lots of people get into the United States passing through Mexico. Mexico is Corrupted to the Bone. You would have to Re-Man the complete Police force here and have Severe Punishments for Taking $$ for Traffic and Drug Charges. The way people drive here is Freaky Scary. If the Police handed out citations as they are supposed to instead of pocketing $$. They could pay for trash trucks and fix the streets with just a weeks worth of Citations. This is a place were a man can easily get away with murder. 90% of Crimes go unpunished. I would say 50 to 75% of Tijuana's people work in the United States bringing Thousands of US Dollars to Mexico every day.