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So DK, Jeanne Assam is NOT a good Christian, correct?

by MarkatNite / December 10, 2007 2:29 PM PST

And what of Pastor Boyd, who authorized the security plan that included several church members who, like Ms. Assam, have CCWs? He must be even worse, no?

At your Church, you would have security personnel armed only with Tasers, right?

Mark

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glad she was there
by jimandjerry / December 10, 2007 9:44 PM PST

sved lives

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Thank God she was there, and able to stop him.
by Kiddpeat / December 11, 2007 12:26 AM PST

It shows us what is possible when people have the opportunity to defend themselves.

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I wonder if this woman's family agrees
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 19, 2007 12:19 PM PST
Tips Needed In Fiesta Robbery, Shooting.

>> An innocent bystander was killed Friday night when the robbers and a store security guard got into a shootout at the store located at 4114 Fulton, officials said. Janette Dominguez, 68, was standing in the checkout line when she was shot several times by the suspects, police said. <<

Actually, they won't know that until the autopsy. Apparently, she was caught in a shootout -- and the security guard fired first.

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well they could have
by jimandjerry / December 19, 2007 12:23 PM PST

used tasers we all see how safe they are.
but i guess the guard should have just helped them .
i feel bad for the innocent victim, but if we didnt have criminals who would we have to fill our prisons with

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I'm sure the dozens of people whose lives were
by Kiddpeat / December 19, 2007 1:16 PM PST

saved in Colorado regret that they could not sacrifice their lives to the anti-gun lobby. I'm sure they agree that allowing killers to run rampant is preferable to allowing people to defend themselves.

Why stop at security guards DK? Let's also disarm the police. Then they won't accidentally shoot any bystanders either. Of course, there is also the possibility that the criminals will shoot people even if there isn't any armed resistance. Oh well, at least we won't be shot by store security guards. That happens sooooo often doesn't it?

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RE:I'm sure they agree that allowing killers to run rampant
by JP Bill / December 19, 2007 1:24 PM PST

Who said that?

Besides you?

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Actually, KP, I'm glad she had the gun and
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 21, 2007 3:39 AM PST

was apparently properly trained in its use. In any case, a security guard on the job is a far cry from a single mother keeping a gun in the house "for protection," and losing her son when he finds "the toy." You'll note I've never argued that our police should only carry batons, as the London Bobbies once did. (When we were at Picadilly Circus Station two days after the London bombing of 2005, the Bobbies were carrying Sten guns!)

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dk
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 4:55 AM PST

a single mother has less rights, or is stupid i guess you mean to say.

i know several nra members who are single moms and have hand guns in a bed safe.
i guess single men must be smarter per your views.

then we could issue tasers as there so safe wait thats a lie they kill to:(

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RE: they kill to
by JP Bill / December 21, 2007 5:07 AM PST
In reply to: dk

How many police officers have you seen intentionally shoot another police officer with a gun?

How many police officers have you seen intentionally shoot another police officer with a tazer?

Did you ever wonder why they don't shoot each other with a gun and they do with a tazer?

I've seen many pictures of police officers on tv demonstrating use of the tazer.

I've seen a police officer giving a lecture to students on the safe use of firearms shooting himself in the foot also.

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and
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 5:55 AM PST
In reply to: RE: they kill to

how many were killed by tasers because " tasers" dont kill?
false security leads to careless behavior

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how many were killed by tasers because " tasers" dont kill?
by JP Bill / December 21, 2007 10:01 AM PST
In reply to: and

How many were shot because "I had the gun hidden and the child couldn't reach it"?

false security leads to careless behavior

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like i said bed safe
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 10:06 AM PST

do try to understand what a bed safe is

and you and dk can howl outrage at the legal gun owners
but as its been shown guns save more lives in the proper hands

and for protection ill stick to my revolvers

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If you start talking about banning automobiles.
by JP Bill / December 21, 2007 10:07 AM PST
In reply to: like i said bed safe

I'm going to be very suspicious.

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I know what a bed safe is
by JP Bill / December 21, 2007 12:36 PM PST
In reply to: like i said bed safe

There was another guy that used to hang around Speakeasy that had a bed safe and explained how they worked.

he said

had 1 of many in a slideing bed rail safe 1 button or more was needed to release door.

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then ask him
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 12:48 PM PST

didnt know if you new what it was

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Ask him
by JP Bill / December 21, 2007 12:56 PM PST
In reply to: then ask him

I think he's gone,

One day I signed on...he was gone.

He used to post every day... sometimes 20 or 30 new subjects.

Those were the days.

I imagine he's off in the corner somewhere.

I don't know where he went.

Oh well, life goes on.

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hey you are right
by WOODS-HICK / December 21, 2007 1:12 PM PST

I did an advance search on that quote and there it is. he had a unique way of speaking. in fact those discussions are very similar to this one. what a coincidence.

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(NT) theres several coincidences
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 11:59 PM PST
In reply to: hey you are right
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Hi, J&J
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 22, 2007 6:25 AM PST
In reply to: like i said bed safe

>> its been shown guns save more lives in the proper hands <<
That may very well be true -- but the point is that the average untrained American citizen is not "the proper hands." And even for the trained, there's no reason for citizens to have access to automatic weapons and armor-piercing bullets.

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i guess we all should rely on the police
by jimandjerry / December 22, 2007 10:10 AM PST
In reply to: Hi, J&J

thanks but no thanks ill not rely on any ones protection but my own

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Citizens do not have access to automatic weapons.
by Kiddpeat / December 22, 2007 11:19 AM PST
In reply to: Hi, J&J

Not unless they have a license from the ATF. I'll bet the same is true of armor piercing bullets. Thus, I have no idea what your point is.

I'm sure there are automatic weapons on the street, but they are illegal. That tells you how effective laws are when it comes to keeping criminals from getting guns.

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(NT) gub laws too week, need strongar 1, than problam fixed
by WOODS-HICK / December 22, 2007 11:55 AM PST
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A WHOLE lot fewer than would have died if shot
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 21, 2007 11:56 AM PST
In reply to: and

with a .38 (or higher caliber) pistol, J&J. Your dog won't hunt!

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a 38 wont kill?
by jimandjerry / December 21, 2007 12:03 PM PST

are you saying i cant put down a person with a 38?
i hope im misunderstanding you.

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Then your post made no sense.
by Kiddpeat / December 21, 2007 7:25 AM PST

No one was talking about single mothers unless the security guard in this case was a single mother.

However, as someone who claims to be a scientist, I'm surprised that you are not familiar with the research in this area. A researcher at the University of Chicago investigated the issue of guns which are used for self defense. He found that the statistics are overwhelming. Such guns save far more lives than are lost to them. So, we can try to keep people from having these weapons, but the result will be the loss of many lives which would otherwise be saved.

As far as keeping guns where kids can get them, I don't think anyone advocates that.

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KP, I was giving a concrete example
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 21, 2007 11:49 AM PST

of someone very likely to have a gun "for protection" (a woman living alone with a child to be protected). The fallacy of having a gun "for protection" is that if one follows the gun safety rules necessary to prevent such tragic (and forseeable) accidents as I mention,namely keeping it unloaded in a gun safe, the number of situations in which there'd actually be time to use it for protection is really rather limited. Maybe if the would-be home invaders discussed their plan loudly outside her bedroom window while they were trying to get up their courage? In most cases, the first hint of a pending home invasion is the door being kicked in -- and what good is the unloaded gun in its gun safe then? As the now-removed FBI stats showed, a gun kept in the home "for protection" is much more likely to kill or injure a family member or other innocent one way or another (by accident or in domestic violence) than to kill or injure an intruder.

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I have trouble with...
by J. Vega / December 22, 2007 2:43 AM PST

I have trouble with your time estimates. Many gun safes/safe boxes can be opened with a keypad. Call it 5 seconds to punch the combo in and open the door. If the gun is unloaded call it another 5 seconds max to put in the magazine and chamber a round with an auto or loading a revolver with a speed loader. Make that a total of 10 seconds. How many home invaders can get thru a deadlocked door in that time? It's not like the movies or TV when one kick always seems to do the trick.
Again with the FBI stats implying some sort of a plot. You've done this line many times before in past years. Once again, Dave, the FBI does not do their own statistics. The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) does the statistics. Their site has no end of statistics for you and always has. Remember, Dave, if you see something at BJS and confuse them with the FBI they are not the same, but it's possible to confuse the two when you are remembering something and try to go back to where you saw something.

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your talking to the walls
by jimandjerry / December 22, 2007 3:00 AM PST
In reply to: I have trouble with...

there blind to the truth

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at the moment
by WOODS-HICK / December 22, 2007 3:05 AM PST

just gibe them time. the truth will oepn there eyes.

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