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Silverado

Feb 14, 2004 11:34AM PST

I've been trying to introduce the boys to some fun older movies. We watched Rustler's Rhapsody a few weeks ago. Tonight we watched Silverado. I love the way those movies played with traditional Western cliches. Of the two, I like Silverado a lot better but they are both fun.

Now I have to pick out some other fun movies. I'm trying to wean them off cartoons and show them films that have important themes as well as entertainment value. Suggestions?

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Re: Silverado -- How old are they?
Feb 14, 2004 12:28PM PST

Are they old enough for Blazing Saddles yet? (We just saw Brooks' The Producers today -- it's fabulous, simply fabulous, but definitely not for kids!

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(NT) ~11 and ~15
Feb 15, 2004 2:56AM PST

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Re: ~11 and ~15 -- 'Citizen Kane' would top my list!
Feb 16, 2004 12:23PM PST

Hi, Dr. Bill.

If they like Westerns, how about some of the John Ford/John Wayne classics like "Red River?" Also some of the old epics -- "Lawrence of Arabia" would probably be ok for that age, for example, to say nothing of "Ben Hur."

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Shane yet?
Feb 14, 2004 12:31PM PST

For old TV series, Gunsmoke, Bonanza, Wild Wild West,(OK, maybe a bit too much women and booze), Rifleman, Wagon Train. Don't forget the John Wayne movies. If moving away from Westerns or looking for early ethnic flavor see if there is any old Charlie Chan detective movies. Are you wanting to stay in that same genre?

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Charlie Chan link
Feb 14, 2004 12:45PM PST
http://user.dtcc.edu/~berlin/cchan.htm

Charlie Chan was the Chinese detective created by Earl Derr Biggers. There were 44 "Charlie Chan" movies made from 1931 to 1949 (actually, there were three others from 1925 to 1929, each with a differenct actor who played Chan). Over the length of this series, six different actors, none of whom were really Chinese, starred as Charlie Chan.

The following is a list of the 47 movies:

The following is a list of the 47 movies:

The House Without a Key (1925)
The Chinese Parrot (1927)
Behind That Curtain (1929)
Charlie Chan Carries On (1931)
The Black Camel (1931)
Charlie Chan's Chance (1932)
Charlie Chan's Greatest Case (1933)
Charlie Chan's Courage (1934)
Charlie Chan in London (1934)
Charlie Chan in Paris (1935)
Charlie Chan in Egypt (1935)
Charlie Chan in Shanghai (1935)
Charlie Chan's Secret (1936)
Charlie Chan at the Circus (1936)
Charlie Chan at the Race Track (1936)
Charlie Chan at the Opera (1936)
Charlie Chan at the Olympics (1937)
Charlie Chan on Broadway (1937)
Charlie Chan at Monte Carlo (1937)
Charlie Chan in Honolulu (193Cool
Charlie Chan in Reno (1939)
Charlie Chan at Treasure Island (1939)
City in Darkness (1939)
Charlie Chan in Panama (1940)
Charlie Chan's Murder Cruise (1940)
Charlie Chan at the Wax Museum (1940)
Murder Over New York (1940)
Dead Men Tell (1941)
Charlie Chan in Rio (1941)
Castle in the Desert (1942)
Charlie Chan in the Secret Service (1944)
The Chinese Cat (1944)
Black Magic (1944)
The Jade Mask (1945)
The Scarlet Clue (1945)
The Shanghai Cobra (1945)
The Red Dragon (1945)
Dark Alibi (1946)
Shadows Over Chinatown (1946)
Dangerous Money (1946)
The Trap (1947)
The Chinese Ring (1947)
Docks of New Orleans (194Cool
The Shanghai Chest (194Cool
The Golden Eye (194Cool
The Feathered Serpent (194Cool
The Sky Dragon (1949)
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We loved Charlie Chan!!
Feb 15, 2004 3:15AM PST

We couldn't wait til Saturday's to watch a "new" oneHappy
Hadn't thought about those in a long time! ThanksHappy

Glenda

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No particular genre ...
Feb 15, 2004 3:00AM PST

Movies with a strong action/adventure plot might work best but other types are possible as well. I took the older boy to see 'Master and Commander' and I think he liked it. He has all the eloquent expressiveness of a typical teenager so sometimes it's hard to be sure.

Some of the movies you listed would be new to me. For example, I've never seen Shane.

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Re:No particular genre ...
Feb 15, 2004 5:03AM PST

Hi Bill

Do you get AMC Tv Channel? They run a lot of old movies. James Stewart, John Wayne, Many of the old Westerns. I saw Shane on there a couple of times. Very good Movie.

George

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Re:No particular genre ...
Feb 15, 2004 8:13AM PST
Shane is an excellent movie. Both sons should see it soon.
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Re: Charlie Chan -- Asian-Americans hate them as 'not PC!'
Feb 16, 2004 12:26PM PST

Hi, James.

I've heard them compared to Amos n' Andy...

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Re:Re: Charlie Chan -- Asian-Americans hate them as 'not PC!'
Feb 16, 2004 1:03PM PST

Amos and Andy, the TV show were black actors that picketing of the studios by NAACP with their great concern for black folks got their brothers put out of a job. It is said that Chicago almost shutdown each night Amos and Andy came on since so many black people enjoyed watching it. Charlie Chan was always a white person made to look sort of Oriental, but they did have Asian actors play the parts of his sons on the show. I don't see any difference between that and Eddie Murphy dressing up to pretend he's some other character in his movies. Come to think of it, I don't see much difference in the humor between Fresh Prince of Belair and the Amos and Andy television show. Loved watching it as a kid. Too bad it had to be villified by some uptight members of the NAACP. Anyway, all of this is our American film legacy, and should be preserved, and shown at times too. If we can endure Schindler's list and naked people running around all over the place, then I think we can manage to control ourselves watching Amos and Andy. Give them 20 years and New Jack City and Boyz N the Hood will be passe and panned by the NAACP or some other organization.

Charlie Chan is an interesting series and shouldn't fall afoul of misplaced embarassment or disapproval by any group. If anything it should be welcomed as a venue that introduced Asians more to all America as a respectable people.

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Re:Silverado
Feb 14, 2004 12:41PM PST

My favorite Western of all time is ?Outlaw Jose Wales?. Mr. Eastwood.

It?s a bit of an optimistic epic and certainly ties to American history. It begins with life (Eastwood?s family) and ends with life (his communal family.) There is a little of ?Jose Wales? in all of us, I believe. Happy The flick may not hold with really young ones, but it is one great movie.

I am just now getting into the ?Monsters Inc.?, phase with my 20 month old grandson. Happy

mojo

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Are they into sci fi? because...
Feb 15, 2004 3:55AM PST

such movies have good themes, humour and action (eg Men in Black) and are mostly rated within such ages as regards content.

Regards
Mo

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Try these
Feb 15, 2004 4:06AM PST

(And they surely are OLD movies!) Happy

"One, Two, Three" (1961)

Directed by Nilly Wilder, and starring James Cagney

A comedy about a Coca Cola executive in post-war Germany

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=5813805

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The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming (1966)

You'll find a review at this site:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6301976894/103-5714559-6730266?v=glance

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The John Ford Trilogy:

Fort Apache

She Wore A Yellow Ribbon

Rio Grande

http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/reviews/details.asp?Index=2206

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"One Foot in Heaven" (1941)

http://movies.go.com/filmography/Credits?movie_id=9414

There are also a couple of Italian-made westerns that are very funny. I've looked at 'spaghetti westerns", but they are not there. If I can find them, I'll let you know.

These all played well with my kids.

Angeline
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Re: "Spaghetti Westerns"
Feb 16, 2004 12:29PM PST

Hi, Angeline.

The best of those are the Eastwood/Sergio Leone trilogy, "A Fistful of Dollars," "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly," and "For a Few Dollars More." But they're more violent than the Ford/Wayne trilogy.

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Oooh, this is perfect, LOL.
Feb 16, 2004 1:09PM PST

I just MUST ask this Konkel type question;

"Do you feel that refering to Italian films about the American West using the term spaghetti westerns shows a lack of respect for Italians? Would it be OK for people to refer to Kung Fu or other Asian type movies as chow mein cinema?"


No need to seriously answer this.

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Yep, but
Feb 16, 2004 11:19PM PST

... those were dramas/action flicks.

The ones I am trying to find were flat-out comedies. If I could just remember who the star was, it would help.

They were almost a parody, and the "bad guys" were a hoot.

Angeline
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(NT)'My Name is Nobody' might be considered spaghetti western parody.
Feb 17, 2004 12:11AM PST

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(NT) Thanks for all the suggestions!
Feb 15, 2004 7:01AM PST

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Sean Connery - The Name of the Rose is an incredible film based on
Feb 15, 2004 11:51AM PST

solid writing, logic in solving a mystery, and a great story.

I thought Braveheart was good to although a little violent when showing battle scenes.

My daughter enjoyed The Memphis Bell from an early age particularly the battle scenes.

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Name of the Rose has some tough stuff for kids. nt
Feb 16, 2004 5:39AM PST

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It's been a long time since I saw it. I don't recall anything
Feb 16, 2004 7:56AM PST

that I'ld be concerned about, but, if I saw it again, I might see what you mean. Happy

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I can't comment on the movie (haven't seen it), but the book ..
Feb 16, 2004 9:54AM PST

Well, let's just say that the book was both long winded and obscure, and included at least some material that might make it inappropriate for younger children.

I am quite confident that neither of my children would have the patience to wade through the book.

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Re:I can't comment on the movie (haven't seen it), but the book ..
Feb 16, 2004 9:47PM PST

IMO it was a remarkable film, but I would not have wanted mine to watch it at that age.

BTW Do you get re-runs of "Alias Smith and Jones"? the TV series. They were always amusing and had only the mildest of adult content.

Regards
Mo

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Re:It's been a long time since I saw it. I don't recall anything
Feb 16, 2004 11:01PM PST

There was some nudity and sex, and, if memory serves, some torture scenes.

Oh, yeah, the burning at the stake stuff, too.

Dan

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Re:Silverado was good :)
Feb 15, 2004 9:20PM PST

you could try "willow" "good morning vietnam" "forrest gump" "the great escape" "lonesome dove" "the colour purple" "bull durham" "coalminers daughter"

you could also ask Toni H if she ever found time to list her video collection Happy

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Some that I just purchased from Amazon
Feb 16, 2004 10:07PM PST

Terence Hill spaghettin/comedy westerns

They Call Me Trinity
Trinity Is Still My Name
Boot Hill

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(NT)Don't forget 'My Name is Nobody'
Feb 16, 2004 10:37PM PST

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Dang I did! I'm going to buy that one next. Features Henry Fonda*
Feb 16, 2004 11:00PM PST

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(NT) And 'Nobody Is Still My Name'
Feb 17, 2004 12:54AM PST

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