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Sick gay hate in a Louisiana school

Dec 3, 2003 1:54PM PST

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Thanks for the clarification
Dec 3, 2003 9:46PM PST

Could have done without the additional BS thrown in.

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My 2 cents
Dec 3, 2003 10:57PM PST

The problem is that too many people are throwing the 'hate' word around when hate is not involved. It seemed to be a deliberate strategy by gays to accuse their opponents of 'homophobia' which, in turn, implied hatred. I think very few people actually hate gays. What people object to is homosexual behaviour, and this objection is labelled as 'hating' gays. This labelling is a way of demonizing your opponent to advance your cause, and it is clearly wrong.

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NT i match your 2 and raise with a ''DITTO''..well said!
Dec 3, 2003 11:07PM PST

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You do? That's odd, because....
Dec 4, 2003 5:13AM PST

....in this post you state quite clearly that you don't like gay men. You don't say you dislike their behavior, you say you dislike them.

Did you misspeak?

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Re:did i misspeak?
Dec 4, 2003 5:34AM PST

no i didn't, did you misunderstand?

i suggest you read tims post again, then skim through mine...
if you see me use the word hate, (apart from comments to charlie of course) then i misspoke...
if you don't see the word hate,(apart from comments to charlie of course) then you misunderstood...

and just to help you out a little, a sort of freudian clue, the key sentences you may be looking for are these #The problem is that too many people are throwing the 'hate' word around when hate is not involved# and #What people object to is homosexual behaviour, and this objection is labelled as 'hating' gays#

i don't lie, ergo, i don't like liars
i don't steal, ergo, i don't like thieves
i don't like homosexual behaviour, ergo, i don't like homosexuals

i don't "hate" liars
i don't "hate" thieves
i don't "hate" homosexuals, so what is wrong with me agreeing with tims post...

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(NT) Ahhh....so you don't hate them; you merely dislike them. Got it.
Dec 4, 2003 5:47AM PST

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as if you didn't know that before you asked ''sheeeeeeeesh''
Dec 4, 2003 3:34PM PST

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Placing statements OUT OF CONTEXT again Josh....
Dec 4, 2003 8:18AM PST

Proper context was the word gay, NOT the men (if one can actually call them that).

Of course you are aware of that but indicating so would eliminate your NEED to post the link.

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Re:Placing statements OUT OF CONTEXT again Josh....
Dec 4, 2003 11:10PM PST

1. You can actually call them that. They are men (except the lesbians, who are women). They have all the same parts as any other man; they just use some of them differently than you or I do.

2. The proper emphasis was on the word "men." He said he dislikes the men because they happen to be gay.

I'm glad that's cleared up.

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Nope, even left OUT OF CONTEXT as you have....
Dec 5, 2003 5:46AM PST

he stated "as much as i don't like homosexual/***** men, i don't like gay men either...

The context it was within was:

"Gay still is not a dirty word.

It's just the dirty minds of some of the narrow minded who make themselves see it as so.

Dan"

Gay is neither "dirtier" nor "cleaner" than homosexual, *****, nancy boy, pansey, ******, etc., it is simply a PC corruption of a non sensual word meaning joy or happiness.

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Its definitely NOT your week Edward. Again you are wrong.
Dec 5, 2003 12:33PM PST

English is a living language, that's what makes it so dynamic and effective.

I still remember my shock when Simon Templar, the Saint, being a "gay blade" no longer meant he was a cheerful villain, and came to mean he was homosexual.

The choice of the MALE homosexual community to use the word "gay" to define their joy in their sexual preference is NOT a PC courruption of a word, it is a sign of English being a living language.

BTW. Female homosexuals do NOT generally refer to themselves as "gays", but as lesbians.

Ian

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Re:Its definitely NOT your week Edward. Again you are wrong.
Dec 5, 2003 3:35PM PST

"The choice of the MALE homosexual community to use the word "gay" to define their joy in their sexual preference is NOT a PC courruption of a word, it is a sign of English being a living language."

IMO not wrong. Gay in the homosexual use was a corruption of a perfectly good nonsexual word. PC corruption? The Political Correct (PC) termonolgy usage/theme was not even thought of when homosexuals started using the word gay. You were what..5 years old when the movie "The Gay Caballero" was released in 1959. No one thought that Zorro (Guy Williams) was a homosexual as the word "gay" was not corrupted then.
"Living language", yes, english being corrupted in the USA IMO, maybe not in OZ.

JR

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You've confused me, JR
Dec 5, 2003 3:43PM PST

A living language means that words come and go, that words change meaning.

I was 7 in 1959, but I'm unsure what relevance that has to anything. I was 46 when I first watched "Zorro, the Gay Blade". A hoot.

It wasn't me that called the change "PC speak", it was Ed.

regards

Ian

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Re:You've confused me, JR
Dec 5, 2003 4:06PM PST

I may not have expressed myself very well Ian in the interpretation of living language, and yes words do come and go changing meanings. Still think a good word was corrupted and people watch how it is used. Does anyone give their daughters the middle name of Gay anymore. Do we watch how we express exiting a closet. Wink

I'm up past my bedtime, waiting for my Rx Vicidin to kick in.

Cheers,
JR

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Apparently that is not difficult Ian...
Dec 6, 2003 11:15AM PST

It was indeed through PC activies that the word gay was corrupted and redefined.

Although the dictionary still carries the former and still valid definitions few feel like saying things like "I was feeling particularly gay during the party." exactly because of the PC corruption of the word.

We are not talking dialect or regional differences such as what would happen if you showed up here in the states and started talking about "knocking up" one of the forum's ladies. We are talking about a general corruption of the meaning of the word.

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PC activities.
Dec 6, 2003 7:13PM PST

Well, I don't live in USA. I don't know when the thought police took over language usage via successful suing for this or that in the courts.

I can tell you, flatly and unequivocally, that the change in the usage of the word gay reached Australia long before, say, a decade, before I'd ever heard of this "PC" garbage.

BTW, what do you call a fruit that is about 8 inches long, yellow, and shaped much like a *****? Frequently used in Hollywood movies, the lady sexually sucking on it to generate a tension and imply oral sex.

You call it a banana. I word introduced into the English language from Africa.

Oh, and remember Chinese Gooseberries. A "quick quiz" question that comes up here about every year or so. A Chinese gooseberry comes from China. The USAmerican belief that they come from New Zealnd is just so much crap. In fact, California produce about 10 to 50 times as many as New Zealand each year.

Its not about PC Speak. Its about people not wishing their cherished word to mean something other than mommy an d daddy told them it meant.

Ian


Ian

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California produce about 10 to 50 times as many as New Zealand each year.
Dec 6, 2003 11:45PM PST

izzat so?

links?

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see my response to yourself and Paula Rae. nt
Dec 7, 2003 4:48PM PST

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Re:Kiwi fruit
Dec 6, 2003 11:52PM PST

Surprisingly, the bulk of the fruit from April through October is supplied not by New Zealand but Chile where kiwifruit is the third-largest planted fruit, after apples and grapes. Chile supplies the United States with 93% of the kiwifruit during this second kiwifruit season, New Zealand only 7%. (Imports of New Zealand kiwifruit have decreased in recent years because of an anti dumping suit brought against them by California Kiwifruit Growers.)

In terms of worldwide kiwifruit production, Italy is No. 1 followed by New Zealand, Chile, France, Japan, Greece, the United States, Portugal, Korea, Spain and Australia.

http://www.samcooks.com/relish/kiwi.html

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nt) Ditto
Dec 7, 2003 4:49PM PST

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Nice try but obfuscatory tactics won't work...
Dec 6, 2003 11:54PM PST

"Political Correctness" has been on the scene for several decades but has only been so named since politics became so involved in EVERY aspect of life.

There are many words adopted into the English Language just as many English words are adopted by other languages--so what is your point as this has NOTHING to do with the corruption of any specific word such as gay for politically correct purposes.

Regarding the Gooseberry, there is NOTHING inconsistent with Americans stating that it came from New Zealand, as that is where the Americanized variety originally came from regardless of the fact that like the Dingo it originated on the Asian Continent and migrated or was taken south to your neck of the woods.

Where did Australian Corn come from? Britain, although originally it was from the American Continents--again this has NOTHING to do with the simple fact that the newest definition of gay is a PC corruption.

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nt) *sigh* CRAP once again.
Dec 7, 2003 4:59PM PST

If I wanted to call myself a member of the aging new age sensitive white guys, I can.

If lots of other people decide that's a good descriptor of themselves, they may do so as well.

If we talk to each other, and decide we want ourselves to be called "grumps", thats our right.

If enough people adopt our usage, and grumps takes on the usage to mean we "aging new age sensitive white guys", then the Oxford English dictionary has a defined methodology, for several centuries, not decades, for deciding when the new meaning of the word, or new word, has achieved a usage status.

Political Correctness, your anathema you love to throw at any word usage momma didn't teach you, apart from obfuscation which you looked up last week when playing Scrabble, has nothing WHATSOEVER to do with using the word "gay" to describe homosexual males.

Like it or lump it, you're wrong.

Ian

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The word banana, Ian...
Dec 7, 2003 6:00PM PST

The word banana was derived from an Arabic word meaning finger, was it not?

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J. I couldn't care less where it originated, the issue is that English is a living language.
Dec 7, 2003 6:57PM PST

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Re:English is a living language.
Dec 7, 2003 7:22PM PST

up til 20 years ago, i would agree...but PC english is killing it Sad

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Sorry J. I'm too grumpy at your following on to Ed's posts regardless of
Dec 7, 2003 7:10PM PST

their truth or fiction to give your posts a fair hearing at the moment.

As always, the issues will move on.

Just keep in mind, all friends get grumpy with each other occasionally.

regards

Ian

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NT banana in arabic=Moz, finger=Ba
Dec 7, 2003 7:20PM PST

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Re: My 2 cents
Dec 4, 2003 2:57AM PST

Hi, Kiddpeat.

So why do you favor legal discrimination against gays -- because you love them?
-- Dave K.
Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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There you go again.
Dec 4, 2003 4:18AM PST

What legal discrimination do you mean Dave? I don't oppose gays having jobs, or cars, or houses, or apartments. I don't mind them being in the same restaurant, or train, or bus, or church. So, what discrimination do you mean? Isn't your statement just another example of demonizing your opponents?

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I agree with most of you said
Dec 4, 2003 3:06AM PST

The word 'hate' is used more than the words 'love' or 'like' anymore, I think, when words such as 'dislike' or 'oppose' or 'find distasteful' would be more appropriate. However, I don't think that gays are using it as a strategy as you imply....

Intense objections over different lifestyles and/or races and/or ethnic backgrounds have been around for long periods of time and 'hate' went hand-in-hand with it. Fortunately, the people who truly 'hate' are, I believe, the minority. Most people misuse the word 'hate' casually without conciously thinking about it ahead of time. (I 'hate' this or that food, I 'hate' a certain song/color/movie, etc).

I honestly don't think there are members in Speakeasy who actually 'hate', and to use that term is also, in my opinion, wrong. We will never have a total membership here who agree with each other, and that's as it should be. How else would we learn about the differences in each others' countries, lifestyles, cultures, etc? Disagreements, no matter how wide they might be, open our eyes more often than not, even if we still disagree when the dust settles.

TONI