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Should the Military Build the Wall?

Mar 25, 2018 11:03PM PDT

Hi everybody,

President Donald J. Trump offered a new way possible for America to build the border wall, even after the omnibus spending bill signed on Friday left many wondering if construction will ever start. His suggestion? Have the military build it.
Early Sunday morning, President Trump pointed out the fact that the border wall is a matter of national security. America therefore should simply have the Department of Defense over see the project in order to keep out drugs and enemy combatants, according to the commander in chief.

What do you think about this "wall"?

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Army Corp of Engineers
Mar 26, 2018 12:13AM PDT

They did most of the work taming the Mississippi river and installing levees. No reason why they couldn't put up a border wall too.

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(NT) The MEXICAN ARMY Corp of Engineers?
Mar 26, 2018 3:13AM PDT
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Of course not
Mar 26, 2018 4:22PM PDT

Use our American laborer citizens, and THEN just make the Mexicans pay for it. Find illegals, confiscate what they have illegally gained, put in a "Build That Wall!" fund. Eventually it will be paid for by those we sent back.

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Small problem
Mar 26, 2018 6:20PM PDT

According to another member these illegals are all on the public dole.

There is nothing to confiscate unless you mean moving the dole to the wall fund.

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Most are; however, you can be a
Mar 27, 2018 7:45AM PDT

drug dealer and an illegal immigrant on the public dole at the same time......ever hear of 'walking and chewing gum at the same time'? Drug dealer money isn't exactly reported to Social Services...........

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RE:Use our American laborer citizens,
Mar 26, 2018 7:24PM PDT
Use our American laborer citizens, and THEN just make the Mexicans pay for it.

JUST MAKE?

Easy peasy?

These "American laborer citizens" are going to work Pro Bono OR are they going to be paid UPFRONT...or EVENTUALLY?......Just so everyone understands EXACTLY when this money will be received by the workers/American laborer citizens?

Are you available to do this work without being paid?

The cheque is in the mail?

YOU do the work...YOU get paid....EVENTUALLY?.....depending on what someone that wasn't party to the agreement decides to do?

UPFRONT?...EVENTUALLY?.....Toni H will be asking.....

RE:Eventually it will be paid for by those we sent back.

That's not how it works....

IF I stop paying for something(supporting illegal immigrants) it doesn't mean that I RECEIVE more money....it just means that I have fewer expenses...AND I spend the money on a wall instead of supporting illegal aliens....SO...The wall would NOT be paid for by "those you sent back"...it will be paid for by the American Taxpayer.....
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Exactly
Mar 26, 2018 8:08PM PDT

But you can't sell the product by telling the consumer your going to take money from one pot and move it to another.

You sell the product by saying it's free.

Someone else will pay for it.

More of the child's made up stuff.

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Great idea.
Mar 26, 2018 3:49AM PDT

Since making steel and making 5G equipment is declared a matter of national security also, why not have the military do that also?

Since they are already paid from the federal budget, it's free. A free wall, free steel and free 5G, and no more troubles with the budget, wouldn't that be wonderful?

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IF TheRUMP can't have his "parade"
Mar 26, 2018 4:11AM PDT

like Russian and North Korean leaders... having a Military State is the next best thing.

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Great idea
Mar 26, 2018 5:20AM PDT

But have we forgotten the fine print.......Mexico is going to pay for it.

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I've already told you a few ways that Mexico WILL
Mar 26, 2018 6:39AM PDT

one of which is by having to against support all the deported illegals that WE pay for now and won't have to anymore.

Confiscated drug monies that don't end up back in Mexico is another.

Again, I ask....show me one time where Trump ever said that Mexico would pay for it UP FRONT.

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RE:Confiscated drug monies
Mar 26, 2018 7:56AM PDT
Confiscated drug monies that don't end up back in Mexico is another.


The Mexican drug dealers will be allowed to stay in America, and their profits will be used to build the wall? DUH???

The Mexican drug dealers will be deported and they will send their money back to America to pay for the wall? DUH????

The money collected from drug dealers will be collected from AMERICAN drug dealers?....THEY will pay for the wall? DUH??

UNLESS TheRUMP has a time machine and can collect drug money from the past....YOUR plan for him isn't feasible.....

You can't get blood out of a turnip...ever hear that one?

Tell us how?
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RE:by having to against support all the deported illegals
Mar 26, 2018 11:23AM PDT

by having to AGAIN support all the deported illegals


All the more reason for Mexico NOT to pay for the wall....

America ships Mexicans BACK to Mexico...THEY have to support them...so less money for Mexico to give towards the paying for the wall....Do some more math......

Mexican Pres said they won't pay for no stinkin' wall...Not UPFRONT...not EVER.....

Other things TheRUMP didn't say during the campaign

TheRUMP also didn''t say he would be asking for support from the American Taxpayer to pay for the wall.....

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Illegals
Mar 26, 2018 8:57AM PDT

I don't think we should have people in this country illegally.

Some of these people are hard working and pay taxes.

Does not cost the American taxpayer a nickle.

Did you catch that article about the guy that spent 2 tours in Afghanistan and then got deported?

I'm sure that makes perfect sense to repubs.

As to how many of these illegals do cost the taxpayer I'll let others do the math.

Drug money.....how many years will it take us to confiscate 20B+?

I don't have a problem with the wall although I think the drug dealers will find a way around it.

I think this wall thing is a way for the child to satisfy his base.

Where did you get this up front stuff?

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You don't have to do the math
Mar 26, 2018 9:47AM PDT

check out ANY of these links to get the FACTS vs the 'truth' you and others say about how SOME pay taxes and doesn't cost us anything. MOST who DO work make minimum wage and actually are eligible for ADDITIONAL monies from the State or Federal end, including Earned Income Credits so they get ALL of their 'paid' taxes AND additional money as a tax REFUND.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+many+illegals+get+state+federal+benefits&form=EDGNTT&qs=PF&cvid=c1ba9d0c47524453af6bb105c2816ab4&refig=80c70f0379f74ffab2297d5b67c0219e&cc=US&setlang=en-US&PC=HCTS

DEMS offered the wall money spread out over a ten year period of time rather than all at once and refused the end to chain migration and the end of the lottery system....which is why Trump told them to pound salt. We collect hundreds of millions of dollars every year in drug money....ALL of that could go to build that wall in a few three or four years, when you consider that New York ALONE averages over $800million spent by users each year.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/math.html

"Estimates on how much money is sent south each year range from $10 to 30 billion. For Mexican traffickers along the Southwest border, the money is literally driven across the border in bulk amounts and then deposited into Mexican banks. " At the high side of $30B, the wall would be done in a year.

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The wall
Mar 26, 2018 10:47AM PDT

If the wall is the answer then fine build it.

As for people in this country illegally I don't think that's right.

As for money deposited in Mexico banks that money might only be there for a few hours and then shipped to some other countries bank.

How does that make Mexico pay for the wall?

If there is that kind of money involved then I suspect the drug dealers will find a way around this wall.

Did you overlook my question about the Afghanistan guy?

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ONE guy? Boohoo
Mar 26, 2018 11:23AM PDT

He probably already has a tax payer attorney fighting it for him pro bono. Sorry, but I have NO sympathy for illegals who use loopholes to stay here.

You think the Mexican government, including the police, isn't corrupted so badly that they aren't sharing in that money? Gimme a break.........they have NO problem with advertising in their own country how illegals can game our benefits system once they get here. Doesn't it seem to you that they are ENCOURAGING their population to get here at any costs? Why should THEY be responsible for their citizens when the USA will be instead?

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As I said
Mar 26, 2018 11:53AM PDT

I don't think we should have people in this country illegally.

If the wall stops this flow of drug money back to Mexico how long do you think it will take the drug dealers to find a way around this?

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I'm going to assume
Mar 26, 2018 12:11PM PDT

you were talking about THIS guy before..... https://www.dailywire.com/news/28683/cnn-bemoans-us-vets-deportation-they-bury-what-he-hank-berrien?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=idealmedia&utm_campaign=dailywire.com&utm_term=68890&utm_content=2209411

Your sympathy for him is laughable since you don't appear to do anything but take liberal media's word for everything without doing your own research, Bob. Polly want a cracker?

How long do YOU think drug dealers will take to find a way around it? Do you think they'll start their own poppy crops here unnoticed?

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I don't have any
Mar 26, 2018 5:19PM PDT

Sympathy for the guy at all.

I asked if you caught the article.

As to the drug dealers they will bring their product in by going over/around/under this wall.

Same way they will get their money out.

There is too much money involved to let a physical barrier stop them.

Poppy fields here?......nope too easy to spot.

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If you don't have sympathy for the
Mar 27, 2018 7:50AM PDT

the guy who was deported, why bring him up in the first place? You're so apparent, Bob, in your animosity it's turning into a joke.

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Let's send them all to Canada
Mar 27, 2018 10:48AM PDT

Plenty of Liberals there. They can welcome them with open arms and all that free healthcare.

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RE:Let's send them all to Canada
Mar 27, 2018 11:49AM PDT

SEND?.......SEND THEM?

Is being sent to Canada supposed to be some form of punishment?

THEY would achieve the "American Dream"?

The American Dream has moved to Canada
By every measure, Canada is the true place to find ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.’

Canadians live 2.5 years longer than Americans. They are six times less likely to be incarcerated. And the World Economic Forum ranks Canadians as the 6th happiest people in the world, while Americans lag behind at 13th.


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That's because...
Mar 27, 2018 2:26PM PDT

...they hibernate in the winters, spend less time outdoors, and it's more difficult to be arrested for staying indoors half the year, LOL.

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RE:staying indoors
Mar 27, 2018 5:50PM PDT

When we ARE "indoors", we are NOT sitting in our rocking chair, with an assault weapon in our lap, waiting for someone to break and enter...

LOL, LOL

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It was a simple question
Mar 27, 2018 11:42AM PDT

Based on past threads you have problems with simple questions.

You did your normal thing and jumped to a conclusion.

Then you start accusing people of things.

It must be tough living in Toni world.

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It was a simple question that had
Mar 27, 2018 12:18PM PDT

NOTHING to do with the topic AND you had to bring it twice as if it was massively important when you were too lazy to look up the man and do your research and instead chose to parrot the liberal talking points that you saw on the news where THEY didn't bring up the point that he BROKE MORE LAWS causing his OWN problem with ICE....typical liberal response though....divert the conversation with stupid crap. It must be even tougher living in YOUR world where you have to wait for another liberal to bring up points that never make it to your brain cells for originality so you can shout enthusiastically "EXACTLY" because you couldn't state your case yourself. How pathetic........

Spout your garbage non-responses all you want, I'm done with you here. You can't debate anything so your ONLY response is "I don't like him" and can't even state FACTS about WHY. You have name-calling down to a fine art along with insults to me on a daily basis.

BTW....I much prefer MY world than yours any day........

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RE:I'm done with you here.
Mar 27, 2018 12:38PM PDT

First me...now Bob....is someone cutting off your internet access?

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Bye-bye
Mar 27, 2018 2:30PM PDT

don't let the shirt tail hit on the way out. Devil

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RE:don't let the shirt tail hit on the way out
Mar 27, 2018 9:03PM PDT

I would think, you, being a gentleman...would hold the door open for Toni H as she left(was done with you here)...