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Should I be blocking my laptop's camera?

Aug 24, 2018 5:40PM PDT

On my train commute to work, I started to notice more and more of this behavior on people's laptops. More often than not, people have a piece of masking tape or sticky note blocking their laptop camera. Are people just paranoid that the camera may suddenly start recording them or is it because they are camera-shy during video conferences? I personally do not block my camera on my laptop, but it has got me thinking about it. Should I be, but for what reason? Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I am curious as to why people do it and if you do, why? If for laptops, should they be covering up their phone cameras too? Looking forward to what you think. Thank you.

--Submitted by Karen A.

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Laughing
Sep 2, 2018 10:40AM PDT

I don't see any opportunity to blackmail me. There's nothing to imagine, my 'pornface money shot' wouldn't look any different than my National Geographic face. I doubt anybody in my contact list would be surprised to learn I watch porn, if they know me at all.. As for the $10000, once I stopped laughing, I'd invite them to come pick up the money. Target practice can be a good thing.

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Cover that camera!
Aug 25, 2018 6:17PM PDT

I've been covering my camera for at least 10 years since the first time I heard it can be accessed any time by anyone that knows how. About a year and a half later, I was really creeped......I KNEW there was someone on the other side of that paper! AAAAAAHHH!!!! Since then, I've covered every camera, phone and computer. I use a piece of post-it paper. It sticks well and can easily be removed without any residual mess.

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curious
Aug 31, 2018 7:16PM PDT

how did you know?

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Camera spying
Aug 31, 2018 9:39PM PDT

You just know that kind of thing ... . Happy

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I agree
Sep 1, 2018 2:12AM PDT

Sometimes you do just know. It is possible to be wrong, but such knowledge is right far more often than it is wrong.

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It was a REAL creepy feeling
Sep 1, 2018 4:52AM PDT

I had such a creepy feeling that I never had before or since.

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Possibilities
Sep 1, 2018 1:12PM PDT

The LED comes on (maybe).
You hear laughing coming out of your speakers.
You see some camera-related tasks pop up in task manager (and system slows down maybe).
Or, sometimes, you just know.

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The General Answer, Karen
Aug 26, 2018 12:28PM PDT

Is that cameras and microphones have been turned on without the user noticing. My HD Logitech had led lights but who looks up? I can't speak to laptops, but I know that cell phones can do all sorts of things as I was working on a project and had access to carriers' law enforcement sites. True, you need a subpoena to do anything, but they have the ability to turn on the microphone and record conversations nearby even if the phone is powered off (it was on the menu). If the police can go through the carrier to do that, then there is the technology to do it. In the wrong hands? Maybe.

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Mic
Aug 31, 2018 5:34PM PDT

Lots of good thoughts on cameras but how do you turn your mic on and off?

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Shut the computer off
Sep 1, 2018 5:09AM PDT

I know, as big as a pain and inconvenience, the best way to disconnect camera and mic is to shut the computer down, shut it off and unplug. Waiting for it to boot up only takes a short couple of minutes. Problem solved.

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That doesn't seem to ...
Sep 1, 2018 5:35AM PDT

... protect me while working on it.

Also, the "few short minutes" can easily last n-times the time for one of those quick-quick queries I often do. And that's only if Win10 doesn't pick that moment to start a major upgrade - they do seem to try and sneak those in whenever you reboot ...

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Not really.
Sep 1, 2018 7:39AM PDT

It is possible to boot a computer remotely and it is possible to use it to spy even when it is off. However, if your laptop is actually closed then the camera is covered. The microphone is harder, but it is still possible to do something to disable or muffle it. Microphones are generally located inside the closed clamshell, not on the outside. If you look on your owner's materials, they will tell you where it is. A little piece of cotton would help. It just needs to be thin enough that it will not interfere with the closing of the laptop. The better it insulates, the better it muffles sound.

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Good question
Sep 3, 2018 10:43PM PDT

I used to have headphones that had a mic and there were two separate cables to plug in. Nowadays, there seems to be only one headphone jack and nothing on the front of the computer to plug in a mic (maybe on the back). But I used to unplug the microphone cable. I live alone so all anyone would here would be "Cat, quit shredding the rug!". Sometimes I do screw up by being on the phone in front of the computer. I need to watch that.

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Laptop Privacy
Aug 31, 2018 6:23PM PDT

First, on a Windows laptop, just go into Device Manager, and disable (drivers for) camera, and microphone. Done.

As for the Police, or the NSA, or ?????? monitoring you, it's been done, at their discretion, for many, many years. What, you thought FISA warrants, and such were something new? I've read that the microphone of your old Bell Telephone landline remains active even when you "hang-up". i expect the mic on my smartphone has same problem.
Oh, and for the record: "I LOVE Big Brother!"

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Re: Should I be blocking my laptop's camera?
Aug 31, 2018 5:50PM PDT

Ok, cameras can be accessed remotely, but what about the camera light that indicate that the camera is on? Shouldn't they turn on also?

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Maybe, but maybe not
Sep 1, 2018 1:54AM PDT

We do not know how the hardware in laptops is set up. We know how it is supposed to operate, but that does not mean that there are no secret "features" or settings that we know nothing about. It is fact that people have been spied on without knowing it.

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Don't Forget the Microphone
Aug 31, 2018 6:05PM PDT

Famous line:
"just because you're not paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

Covering the camera does not prevent every word you say from being monitored or recorded. A nice wad of chewing over the microphone will take care of that .... lol.

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Yes, the microphone is even more dangerous than the camera
Sep 1, 2018 2:02AM PDT

I wound up unplugging my microphone from my desktop computer because Cortana was always interrupting my private conversations wanting to know what we said. That might sound humorous, but anything we talked about, even if it had nothing to do with me, showed up in the ads the next time I got on my computer. If I mentioned that my godson liked racy anime (he does) I would be inundated with ads for anime products and for videos that showed such content. I would also get some sexually suggestive ads that assumed I was male. If I mentioned that my plumbing needed to be fixed I would get ads for plumbers and plumbing supplies. These things have nothing to do with what I do online or what I search for. Now as long as it is simply innocent conversation that is simply creepy. However, we do also sometimes need to have private conversations. For whatever reason, we need to know that we are not being listened to. At such times I do not allow cell phones, computers, or smart devices to be in the room.

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The microphone must be listening!
Sep 1, 2018 2:23AM PDT

This happens to us ALL the time, too. Last night I mentioned a friend's son was going to a midwest college (I'm on the East Coast) and immediately, everyone in the house started getting sidebar ads for that university, as well as other products with the same word in the name.

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It is too common
Sep 1, 2018 3:02AM PDT

Those who claim that this is "coincidence" are really burying their heads in the sand. It happens to nearly everyone. Some things just can't be coincidence.

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3M post-it note does the trick...
Aug 31, 2018 6:16PM PDT

Been there for more than 6 years now. I am leery of any camera, and yes someone is watching. Some of my friends told me that the government can also use the pixels of your screen to capture your image. Conspiracy? Maybe, But I am also leery of anything that has to do with states and central intelligence agencies and anything is possible as we advanced in higher technology every day.

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New friends needed.
Sep 2, 2018 11:12AM PDT

Come on, I have no problem about covering the camera or the mic, but if your friends think the government has magic tricks to use your whole screen as a camera, maybe they can explain why the same government couldn't even 'hack' into an iPhone a few months ago. The next question is why the CIA is so interested in what you do. Only you know if you participate in anything illegal.
On the subject of the microphone, I have a hard enough time getting the people I'm talking to listen, and I know there's nothing worthwhile in my conversations.
My final point is, if the laptop is powered off it can't take pictures or record voices. Without power, neither will work. There's no magic involved.

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Powered off?
Sep 2, 2018 11:18AM PDT

Powering off is not so easy as it seems. If you think "shut down" powers everything off, you haven't had the stress I've had with various technology re-starting, updating while I thought it was off, and what not. If you're not worried at all about this, you might need to learn about identity theft and consider whether you trust random hackers or others who might use your image and audio in ways you never dreamed of.

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I forgot to mention
Sep 2, 2018 12:10PM PDT

For some reason, it seems the same person is stalking me in this thread. I should have mentioned I have been in the business of Information Technology and specifically data security for over 30 years. Fortunately, retirement from this conversation is coming faster than my real life retirement. There are settings to allow your laptop to 'wake up' to do updates, or be remotely controlled, or NOT. Working in the Financial sector means I don't "need to learn" about identity theft. I'm not going to get into what I ever "dreamed of" here.

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They were able to hack the iPhone
Sep 3, 2018 2:17PM PDT

Actually, if you go back and investigate, they were able to get into that iPhone.

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No.....
Aug 31, 2018 6:31PM PDT

I would not cover my camera unless I go on conferencing apps for meetings often. And that's only to prevent broadcasting my video if I press the video by mistake.. Other than that, I don't think anybody wants to secretly watch me or video tape me and even if someone does that, I would know by the camera LED turning on...

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You are fooling yourself.
Sep 1, 2018 2:06AM PDT

It has happened. It has happened to people who were no more "interesting" than you are. Don't assume that it will never happen to you. Don't be paranoid, just be intelligent enough to pay attention. Don't do anything that you don't want others to see with a camera in the room. Don't talk about anything private with microphones of any kind in the room.

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Naked Computing
Sep 1, 2018 12:46PM PDT

Do you ever sit in front of your computer wearing....? Am I wearing clothing right now? You can't tell because I have an external camera located in my desk drawer. There is a whole rule book for people who do video conferencing (meetings, interviews, etc.) that many people don't think of, like locking your cat out of the room, to what is on the wall behind you, to your posture, etc. But we are not talking about active cameras and mics during a video conference here. There have been a lot of hacks of people getting control of these devices when you think they are not active. Even if you think others are being paranoid, it doesn't hurt to take very simple precautions. And how often do you check your "light". That is, if it turns on at all during an issue. It really is up to you, though. It is what YOU feel comfortable with. Wait, I have to go put some clothes on...

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This is a real thing...
Aug 31, 2018 6:58PM PDT

I remember hearing/reading several years ago about a school that issued laptops to some their students and then spied on them at home via the built-in cameras. This was a major violation in a number of ways: the students were minors and were captured in various states of dress and undress without informed consent from the students or their parents.

The funny thing is I don't have the cameras covered on any of my computers at home, but I do cover the one on my laptop at work. My MacBook Pro gives me a false sense of security because there's a little green LED next to the camera lens, which supposedly lets me know when it's active. I suppose a hacker could disable that pretty easily. Some computers even have a sliding plastic cover that closes off the camera, which I think is a feature all camera-equipped computers should have. I mean, it probably costs the manufacturer like a nickel to add to the machine and it tells customers very clearly the manufacturer respects them.

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And Smartphones?
Aug 31, 2018 7:01PM PDT

I see the consensus is yes to blocking the camera on the laptop but then for those that do this, do you also cover your cellphone camera? Likewise, those saying to not have confidential conversations near the laptop or a voice activated speaker, do you actively keep your phone in a different room and only then have a conversation with someone? Most have our phones next to us at all times in case we might get a call or we have it in our faces frequently; does anyone here place the same caution with their phone as they do their laptop? I'd like to hear from those who do and don't.

And if this should actually go in a different thread, do forgive me. I'm hoping it's still relevant to the topic at hand.