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Should I be blocking my laptop's camera?

Aug 24, 2018 5:40PM PDT

On my train commute to work, I started to notice more and more of this behavior on people's laptops. More often than not, people have a piece of masking tape or sticky note blocking their laptop camera. Are people just paranoid that the camera may suddenly start recording them or is it because they are camera-shy during video conferences? I personally do not block my camera on my laptop, but it has got me thinking about it. Should I be, but for what reason? Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I am curious as to why people do it and if you do, why? If for laptops, should they be covering up their phone cameras too? Looking forward to what you think. Thank you.

--Submitted by Karen A.

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Re: Should I be blocking my laptop's camera?
Aug 24, 2018 7:08PM PDT

I have a Dell Inspiron 3558 laptop and my antivirus installed is a free product I got from CNET called Avast antivirus which lately has been bad for popping up boxes trying to sell you another one of their products.

I have a webcam but I've never used it but a few weeks ago an Avast box popped up and it wanted to prove to me that somebody could be watching me through my webcam; a few seconds later my face appeared on my laptop's screen which creeped.

Since that day I went ahead and placed a small piece of black electrical tape over my webcam. I never bought Avast's product which they claimed would offer me more protection but I still don't know if someone could be trying to watch me or not; that little demonstration by Avast really did creep me out.


Big Steve
08/24/18

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Depends ...
Aug 25, 2018 1:06AM PDT

If you are willing to smile whenever you sit in front of your laptop (because you ARE on candid camera) then it is probably okay. But also, always wear appropriate dress and comb your hair before you work on your machine. And NEVER do anything in front of that lens that you wouldn't want streamed around the planet.

I have heard reports of bitcoin-hungry people sending you emails threatening to publish the footage they have recorded of you watching porn web sites - and even if you know for sure that there can be no such footage you may still need to wonder what effect even fake videos might have on your public standing ...

No, that little bit of tape sounds like a good idea (with a small piece of paper protecting the lens from the glue.)

Now, what about the microphone?

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According to "FBI", YES!
Aug 25, 2018 11:26AM PDT

Interesting reading:

All cameras can be turned on remotely. Maybe YOU are not running as an administrator capable of turning on the camera, but there are many low-level administrator accounts used by services that CAN turn the camera on if the right software (malware?) is installed. The same also goes with your MICROPHONE. Be careful what you do and say when you are near these devices. Same thing goes with your cell phone, if you think about it. If a cellphone app causes a popup saying that it wants access to your camera or microphone, at least pause to ask yourself "why". It's OK to say NO or delete the app if you don't trust it.

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annoyed by your antivirus?
Aug 31, 2018 7:11PM PDT

I also decided I needed more antivirus when my 11-yr old nephew borrowed my laptop and downloaded ransomware, among other less problematic things. Malwarebytes didn't find the ransomware, but Bitdefender did. It scrubbed my laptop clean. Even though it's the free version, it only suggested I upgrade to the paid a couple times. I haven't had a problem since, it isn't a resource hog. I think I'm going to even buy the paid version.

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Bitdefender is better than avast
Sep 1, 2018 12:57AM PDT

computer friend put bitdefender on my computer a couple of years ago - he said that avast has holes in it and can be hacked - bitdefender much better and it is only virus protection that can protect against ransomware - just look for it online - priced accordingly to how many devices you want to protect.

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Yes..
Aug 24, 2018 9:12PM PDT

I have been blocking the camera since laptops came with the built in camera. I really wish they would give me a hardware switch to do that, along with a switch for the microphone. Every computer can be hacked, but a piece of black electricians tape can't be hacked without you noticing it. The only issue is that the glue gets on the lens should you actually want to use the camera. I don't use the camera for anything so, with me it is not a problem.

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Yes.. by richj120
Aug 25, 2018 12:06AM PDT

You can place a small paper covering the lens and then tape it over the paper. You will not smudge the lens.

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tiny bit of paper behind that tape
Sep 1, 2018 8:41AM PDT

Just put a tiny bit of paper behind that tape so it doesn't stick to the lens. it is a pain cleaning that glue off

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Turn the camera off
Aug 24, 2018 9:24PM PDT

Karen: Logon as the administrator while off line and disable the camera. Now logon with your normal user account (you do have two separate accounts, don’t you?). Now the camera cannot be turned on without the Admin password... nrk

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Can't be turned back on?
Aug 25, 2018 12:58AM PDT

Don't believe that!

Yes, the malware that can switch on camera and microphone - often without switching on the warning light or on-screen symbol - can get administrator access as well.

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I don't believe that will work
Aug 25, 2018 4:06AM PDT

I believe that the camera can be turned on remotely. The only sure way is to block it. It is simple, it is inexpensive, and it is 100% effective.

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Might not work as expected
Sep 1, 2018 3:33PM PDT

There are various s/w and apps that have access directly to your camera whether the current user has administrative access or not and they can be hacked. Or, a hacker can get access directly to the camera. A physical block is the only way to assure that your are not being visually monitored.

Not discussed in this thread, but consider this: a smart phone is nothing but a computer, with a selfie camera, that you carry around all day. Shocked

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It isn't paranoia.
Aug 25, 2018 4:03AM PDT

Yes, it is possible to spy on someone using their webcam (or their microphone). Unless you actually use that camera, it is best to simply block it with tape or something. Think about it. Do you ever get on your computer when you are not dressed? Is it ever open in your bedroom? Do you have a computer with a microphone running in rooms where you are having confidential conversations? It isn't theory, it is fact that these are ways to spy on people and they do get used sometimes. Either keep from having a camera in the first place, or make it standard procedure to block it. If you do use the camera sometimes, make sure that you block it in such a way that you can remove the block and replace it. If you don't use it (many of us don't) then just block it any way you find. Unplug or disable microphones if you are not using them. Also, don't have private conversations in any place where one of those smart speaker devices can pick it up. Spying on people wherever they are is here to stay, unfortunately. It is wrong, but it is done.

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Right Now? As I Type This...Uhhh
Aug 25, 2018 11:31AM PDT

My camera is in my drawer and not plugged in.

Very good advice!

If people don't like paper and tape, you can BUY blockers on sites like Amazon. But the simple solution works fine.

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In the drawer?
Aug 25, 2018 11:58AM PDT

Sounds you have no laptop. My desktop camera is still in the shop and my money in my account. My laptop camera is only in the drawer if and when my laptop is there as well. But then the lid is closed and I don't worry. In all other situations there is the tape. Maybe I should tape some cotton buds over the mikes as well ...

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Sorry
Aug 25, 2018 4:09PM PDT

I was referring to my desktop. For mobile, I have an OLD Netbook.

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I think that you will find
Aug 25, 2018 8:33PM PDT

...that many of us automatically think desktop when we see the word computer! Desktop computers usually (not always) do not have webcams that come with them. The cameras have to be manually set up and plugged in. The same is true of microphones. That is yet another advantage of desktops. I know that laptops are becoming the default, but they are far from being ubiquitous. I don't believe desktops will ever die. I do not own a camera for my desktop at all, and my microphone is only plugged in when I am using it. My laptop is rarely used because it is only a backup.

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Funny enough, you may find ...
Aug 26, 2018 6:21AM PDT

... that the OP was specifically mentioning a laptop - which makes sense, since desktops don't, to my knowledge, come with camera and microphone installed without a chance to uninstall. So, yes, on a desktop there would be other strategies (leave them in the drawer or even in the shop) - I now wonder how much I can hope to do to be sure that my phone doesn't spy on me even after I told it not to ... which brings me back to the Michael Chrichton novel/film, which sports what must be the longest ever voice message.

I am not sure if laptops are becoming "the default" but they have gained market share. It seems there have been markets evolving for people that look for something not quite a tablet and not quite a "real" PC, and the laptop seems to fill that gap, even for people that don't really need the portability. It is nice to sit in the lounge today and in the den tomorrow and on the patio at night (doesn't work in the daytime if you live in a sunny area) and when you are done you pack it away altogether.

And then there are those of us who might prefer desktops but need the portability of laptops. Once on day one of a new job I was issued an ID/access card, a mobile phone and a laptop and was told that now I was a mobile worker. There have been times in my career where I needed to travel with company laptops and should have brought my personal one as well.

The problem with the compact form factor is that you can't just reach inside quickly and unplug the camera or microphone. A switch would be a good idea, but my laptop only has one for all the radios - a "flight mode" switch, so to say.

But I have actually been on a conference call with one of the world's leading IT companies (audio and video broadcast over the web) where some listeners were shown, clearly unaware that their cameras were active. So the problem is real.

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I was replying to
Sep 1, 2018 2:13AM PDT

Gerdd, in the comment above. He said something about it. This was not a reply to the original post.

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Yup
Sep 1, 2018 5:01AM PDT

" in the lounge today and in the den tomorrow and on the patio at night"

study, den, rec room, kitchen nook, patio, front stoop - all in one day

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Depends on Which Desktop
Sep 1, 2018 6:30AM PDT

Almost every All-in-One Desktops come with both cameras & microphones. Some even use facial recognition to log on with Windows Hello. Blocking the camera would stop facial recognition and blocking the mike would disable voice searches. So sticking tape on would cancel some very useful features for many people. So not as simple as some may think.

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I don't know very many people who actually use it
Sep 1, 2018 7:32AM PDT

I'm not saying that it isn't cool and all that, but those are features that most people don't use on their computers. They are convenient to use on phones, but most people don't want to bother with it on a full-sized computer. It is faster and easier to just type. As for all-in-ones, they never took off for good reason. They are essentially fixed laptops, and what is the point of that? If you really don't need the power and features of a full-sized desktop computer, then why be tied to a desk? The biggest complaint I have seen, though, is that they are expensive to repair or replace. You cannot just open up the case and replace a defective part. If you lose part of it, you lose it all.

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Depends on who you know.
Sep 2, 2018 9:40AM PDT

"They are essentially fixed laptops"

I have a All-in-One, 27" 4K touchscreen laptops with Intel I7 processor with 16GB memory, 2TB, 7200 rpm HDD & 256MB SSD. Dedicated 2GB Nvidia Graphics & dedicated Sound card with Dolby Audio, along with Bluetooth, multiple USB 3 & HDMI ports. Which in my opinion does have all "the power and features of a full-sized desktop computer" because it is a powerful desktop computer, in a more convenient form factor. I haven't seen any laptops that can match these features. I do use Windows Hello facial recognition to log on everyday and I don't think MS added Windows Hello to Win 10 & Intel developed the Sense Camera because they thought only a few people would use it. I also use voice search & dictation multiple times a day. So as I said in my OP, it is not as simple as using a piece of tape for many people.

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You haven't looked then
Sep 2, 2018 3:26PM PDT

My laptop is a bit nicer than that. Of course, I paid $2000 for it, but that is not the point. Most people who want a desktop don't even consider all in ones. It is an extremely niche market that gets very little attention for good reason. My reasons are already listed.

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protect Your laptop camera
Aug 31, 2018 9:37PM PDT

Use a non-medicated band-aid. It works and really looks cool.

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Residual residue
Sep 1, 2018 5:04AM PDT

Funny thought but taking it off leaves residual sticky residue.

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What difference does that make...
Sep 1, 2018 7:24AM PDT

...if you don't ever use the camera to begin with? Many people do not. However, if you do then follow the advice already given. Put something between the lens itself and the tape or band-aid or whatever you use. It really is that simple.

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Will destroy ya.
Sep 1, 2018 9:02AM PDT

I obviously disagree. This is definitely paranoia. I don't cover mine. I do watch porn on occasion, and there is no conversation I'm ever having that would be of any interest to anyone. I've been around people that were convinced that the government watched every step they took. I guess if you aren't doing anything illegal that thought never comes to mind. I admit this is one of the few CNet I read all the way through and possibly only commenting because it said I wouldn't. I don't care if I'm being watched, if they tell me when, I'll put on a show. It's no different to me than the scammers that call on the phone. I doubt I'll be running for election, that my reputation will be on the line. Maybe chem-trails from commercial airlines will be next up?

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Paranoia will destroy ya.
Sep 1, 2018 9:38AM PDT

I wanted to edit my comment, but couldn't. I forgot to state that I never use mine, so I'm glad somebody is getting some use out of them. I wish CNET would replace the 'This was Helpful' poll with something like a 'You've got to be kidding' or Hilarious??

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Pornface
Sep 1, 2018 5:27PM PDT

Its the opportunity to be easily blackmailed that should be avoided. Imagine a threat of your "pornface money shot" being sent to everyone on your contact list..unless you pay $10000. A bandaid is much cheaper.