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Sherrod v. Breitbart

Jul 30, 2010 10:38AM PDT
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703999304575399372790501284.html

Shirley Sherrod says she plans to sue conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, the Associated Press reports from San Diego: "Speaking Thursday at the National Association of Black Journalists convention, Sherrod said she would definitely sue over the video that took her remarks out of context":

Sherrod said she had not received an apology from Breitbart and no longer wanted one. "He had to know that he was targeting me," she said.

Does she have a winning case? Probably not.

Ha! Good luck with that one. Ever heard of the First Amendment?

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"""" complaining mammy """" ! ? ! ? ! ? !
Aug 2, 2010 8:19AM PDT

You complain about Obama using the term "mongrel" and then you use the term "complaining mammy" ?????

SHEESH !

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same as nanny today
Aug 2, 2010 8:28AM PDT

we had one, but she preferred to be called "Miz Leona". During the 60's she was dismissed and we shortly after moved back to Florida from Texas.

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Tell ya what, James
Aug 2, 2010 11:30PM PDT

YOU walk down one of those Baltimore streets and call someone "Mammy." Let us know how that works out for you.

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MAMMY????????
Aug 2, 2010 11:26PM PDT

Holy crap, James.

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a term of endearment
Aug 3, 2010 3:09AM PDT

Used often for the hired woman who cared for children. Doesn't carry the same connotation many ascribe to the "N" word, as you'd seemingly like to imply. In fact I believe THEY deserve more credit for success of the civil rights movement than anyone else involved. More than those who preferred marching in the streets and making a ruckus, seeking political appointments, walking around money, etc over the years since. Why should they receive more credit? Because they were the main link to the white population in the South, and helped allay any worries about accepting the civil rights movement than any street riots accomplished. Too bad they aren't given the credit they deserve, instead some prefer to ridicule them!

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OH ,and PS
Aug 3, 2010 3:14AM PDT

Thinking on that, remembering that time in my childhood, I do have to correct myself on one point. Jasper wouldn't qualify for that term. She wouldn't deserve it. It involved working. It also involved caring for those of another race, and being cared for by them.

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google search mentions "offensive" and "caricature"...
Aug 3, 2010 5:31AM PDT

... when the word "mammy" is looked up.

Look up "mongrel" and the first few hits mention mixed ancestry.

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I see "beloved"
Aug 3, 2010 5:36AM PDT
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LOL
Aug 3, 2010 5:35AM PDT

A "term of endearment" for your colored live-in Help.

MIZ SCARLETT!!! MIZ SCARLETT!!!

ROFL

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I realize Yankees don't understand...
Aug 3, 2010 6:00AM PDT

..such matters. No doubt due to northern cultural influences and lack of any real experience in the matter. Maybe that's why their answer to race relations was to form ghettos and housing projects, to create large warehouses in concentrated land areas, sort of concentration camps, to push black people. Calling it Public Housing made it all sound so nice, didn't it. Of course having black people in Yankee homes was verbotten almost.

Hmm, here's a recount you might find interesting reading. Especially considering the South was far more integrated than the North ever has been, even to this day.

http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472116140-fm.pdf

Sometimes when the arrogant Yankee attitude is set aside, a process of learning can begin.

Don't forget, the cruelest person in Uncle Tom's Cabin was a transplanted Yankee with a thirst for power over slaves and a penchant for cruelty toward the same, Simon LeGree.

We could recount the antics of the carpet baggers and their continual tricks to set people against each other for their own financial benefits, opportunist of the worst sort. Their descendants now are probably all modern day Democrats.

We could discuss the Black Codes of that wonderful state of Illinois, the homeplace of Abraham Lincoln, the enlightment of that age.

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Since you brought it up
Aug 3, 2010 6:07AM PDT
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RE: lack of any real experience in the matter.
Aug 3, 2010 6:14AM PDT

Were you there when people owned slaves?

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Many of those shacks survived
Aug 3, 2010 6:23AM PDT

even to my childhood years, and some of them still had families living in them. In the South you would run across them in various places, usually in a line, with black families still living in them, passed down from those days. Whether it was grants from US govt after the war, or been transferred by deed from their previous "owners", such black community groups often held onto those properties for generations. It was to the benefit after the war to transfer such property to them in effort to retain a close labor source. Often the ones whose ancestors had served as slaves, in later years they worked for payment on the same lands for the same families which previously had been the slave owners.

Sometimes that wasn't possible because of Yankee soldiers or carpetbaggers using those soldiers to force the blacks off in order to remove laborers in efforts to break the plantation owners so they instead could become owners of the property. It's too bad not the same effort to teach THAT history is exercised as the history intended to continue attacks against the South.

In fact the beginnings of Jim Crow laws sprang more from these carpet baggers who had become "southerners" than it did from the original population there.

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RE: they worked for payment on the same lands
Aug 3, 2010 7:20AM PDT

they worked for payment on the same lands for the same families which previously had been the slave owners.

How magnanimous...In Canada we call that a "company town"

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(NT) Yes. Much the same.
Aug 3, 2010 7:22AM PDT
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Here we called it sharecropping
Aug 3, 2010 7:52AM PDT

They knew their place, right? Massuh was happy so why wouldn't everyone be?

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Josh - Lincoln and Pullman Porters
Aug 3, 2010 8:14AM PDT

Those wonderful carpetbaggers from the North. All that cheap souther black labor. I suppose all Yankees should be responsible for guilt on this? Is there guilt? Or just hypocrisy when looking South? Need other examples of that Northern spirit toward blacks?
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http://www.jmu.edu/writeon/documents/2006/McCray.pdf
The fact that the earliest porter employees were drawn from the ranks of the recently freed slaves speaks clearly to the characteristics that the company desired. Robert Todd Lincoln, son of President Lincoln and successor to George Pullman as the president of the company, stated in defense of this hiring practice that ?The Pullman Company has contributed a great deal to the material uplifting of colored men by furnishing them with employment for which they are specially fitted.?12 While the first part of this statement no doubt holds some truth, the latter part speaks volumes about the racist policies of the Pullman Company. According to Historian David Perata, the Pullman Company quite intentionally established the porter as an extension of the notorious plantation hospitality of an earlier era. In advertising, the Pullman Company attributed the helpful and polite reputation of its porters to their not being far removed from the days of slavery, and publicized them to patrons as ?old southern colored men.?

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The Diaspora? The Great Migration
Aug 3, 2010 8:41AM PDT

From those horrible southern lands, which now they are flocking back to. Left the South to run to the paradise of the North. Ah, finally, Paradise where flowers bloom along the road and the Song of the North (not South) is sung and everybody treated them with the utmost respect and dignity. The joyous reception they received, the wonderful housing provided, the open and welcome arms that saved them from being a "mammy", yes? The Yankee promise of Nirvana for the unfortunate masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_%28African_American%29

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And yet, no one seems to have a problem with...
Aug 3, 2010 7:58AM PDT

The National Organization for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE.

How odd.

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(NT) Watch it there mongrel ;)
Aug 3, 2010 12:13PM PDT
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Are they associated with
Aug 3, 2010 1:26PM PDT

The National Association for the Advancement of COLORED PEOPLE?

more people probably complain about this group than the other one...they're better known.

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changing the stress
Aug 3, 2010 7:10PM PDT

really changes nothing, other than indicating a lack of understanding on your part.

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(NT) I know he accidentally used the wrong term
Aug 3, 2010 8:34PM PDT
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I don't think there's any lack of understanding...
Aug 3, 2010 9:12PM PDT

at all. Typical. Focus on the unimportant to purposely obscure what's important.

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The NAACP....
Aug 4, 2010 12:26AM PDT

...was founded in 1909, when "colored" was not considered a derogatory term. Is your beef with the fact that they have deliberately chosen not to change their name?

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Couldn't care less about if they change their name...
Aug 4, 2010 12:51AM PDT

just pointing out a fact.

You get upset with James's use of "mammy" but not the NAACP's use of "colored" which you justify. Seems like a contradiction.

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You really don't see the difference?
Aug 4, 2010 1:35AM PDT

And you really don't understand why the NAACP chooses to continue to use that term?

Seriously?

Wow.

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WOW!
Aug 4, 2010 1:38AM PDT

Yeah, I don't. Why don't you 'splain it to me?

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For those who get their news from comedians...
Aug 2, 2010 8:17AM PDT