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She might as well stay home?

Mar 22, 2010 12:52AM PDT
University to Ann Coulter: Please watch your mouth

Francois Houle, vice-president academic and provost, advises Ms. Coulter, who holds a law degree, to review Canada's hate speech and defamation laws before giving her talk at the university.

In an email sent to Ms. Coulter on Friday, a copy of which has been obtained by the National Post, Mr. Houle wrote: "Our domestic laws, both provincial and federal, delineate freedom of expression (or "free speech") in a manner that is somewhat different than the approach taken in the United States. I therefore encourage you to educate yourself, if need be, as to what is acceptable in Canada and to do so before your planned visit here."

He continued, "Promoting hatred against any identifiable group would not only be considered inappropriate, but could in fact lead to criminal charges."

After also mentioning defamation law, the provost wrote, "I therefore ask you, while you are a guest on our campus, to weigh your words with respect and civility in mind."


Notice they said "please"

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what does "get a grip" mean?
Mar 22, 2010 3:12PM PDT

Grip on what? A wall? A cane? A fence? Side of the boat? Door handle? water donut or lifesaver?

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In Eds case?
Mar 22, 2010 9:10PM PDT

Get a grip on reality, perhaps.

Mark

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I hope Ann Coulter....
Mar 22, 2010 2:02AM PDT

...rips them a new one. If they can't tolerate free speech, then give them some! Show'em for what they are.

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Update
Mar 24, 2010 7:19AM PDT

She went too easy on them...
http://www.canada.com/Coulter+speech+Ottawa+cancelled/2718231/story.html

OTTAWA ? After protesters at the University of Ottawa prevented Ann Coulter from giving a speech Tuesday night, the American conservative writer said it proved the point she came to make ? free speech in Canada leaves much to be desired.

Then she said what she really thought of the student protesters who surrounded the school's Marion Hall, making it too unsafe, in the view of her bodyguard, for the pundit to attempt entry.

"The University of Ottawa is really easy to get into, isn't it?" she said in an interview after the cancelled event. "I never get any trouble at the Ivy League schools. It's always the bush league schools."

Coulter said she has been speaking regularly at university campuses for a decade. While she has certainly been heckled, she said this is the first time an engagement has been cancelled because of protesters.

"This has never, ever, ever happened before ? even at the stupidest American university," she said.
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Good for her!

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RE: Good for her!
Mar 24, 2010 7:33AM PDT
even at the stupidest American university," she said.

Is that "backhanded compliment" or a "backhanded insult"?

Not that it matters, just wondering.
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Great news for Free Speech!
Mar 24, 2010 7:34AM PDT

The protesters exercised their right to free speech to protest against Coulter.

Or is that not what you consider free speech?

I saw a something said here not so long ago,

"I draw the line between.....acts of hatred vs words of hatred. Someone can come up to another and call them a racist term, but only if they physically harm that person should be be an act of hatred punishable under law"

So, by that standard, the students had every right to protest in the way they did.

A couple of quotes in that article she may come to regret;

1] "I never get any trouble at the Ivy League schools. It's always the bush league schools."

It's a good job she didn't name them.

2] "This has never, ever, ever happened before ? even at the stupidest American university," she said.

It's a good job she didn't name them.

Mark

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I can't tell...if you really don't get it or...
Mar 24, 2010 7:51AM PDT

if you are pretending.

They used their right to free speech,to deprive Coulter of hers. And, according to Canadian "law" they were also practicing "hate speech." See any contradictions there?

I doubt she will ever regret saying things that happen to be true.

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(NT) I was using the standards promoted by others.
Mar 24, 2010 7:52AM PDT
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acts of hatred vs words of hatred
Mar 24, 2010 10:18AM PDT

The ones involved in creating a dangerous situation for her were not just engaging in "words" but threatened "force". Nevertheless, whether they intended to or not, they gave her a bigger bully pulpit by their actions, all while making themselves look backwoods provincial and colloquial in manners. They showed themselves for the backwoods hicks many of them probably are.

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(NT) Is an American Concept, You can't impose it on others.
Mar 22, 2010 8:23PM PDT
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Canada, Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Mar 25, 2010 12:42AM PDT

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Fundamental Freedoms

Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.

For those whose acquaintance with Canada is limited to what they hear from Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

However these rights and freedoms may not trample on the rights of others, for example gays, natives, black people, nor may they be used to foment disaffection or discord (a definition of Ann Coulter's style if I ever heard it). Canada is, above all, A Civil Society, if your opinion is not expressed in a non-inflammatory way, you may have difficulties. Ernst Zundel, die hard Neo Nazi after 25 years of rabble rousing and endless court cases was finally deported back to Germany for Holocaust Denial.

Ms. Coulter wasn't silenced by Canadian authorities, she was silenced by civil outcry against her views after she'd already delivered her "message" to several other Universities.

Rob

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I think reading a collection of her remarks would be a
Mar 22, 2010 8:31PM PDT

better idea. In truth, she's a very poor speaker, IMO.

Rob

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She should do it by video conference
Mar 22, 2010 3:01AM PDT

Her sitting in the US with a big monitor screen at the gathering and everything done through high speed internet. Canada couldn't do squat to her no matter what she said.

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Doesn't matter, there are broadcasting standard here as well
Mar 22, 2010 8:29PM PDT

They permit the odd view of naked bodies but restrict inflammatory, prejucicial or hate speech. She'd have to create her broadcast, have it vetted and then broadcast it. OH, and you're more likely to hear swearing on TV up here, but not racial slurs.

Rob

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But ... she's
Mar 22, 2010 5:47AM PDT

so cute!

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Cute only gets you so far
Mar 22, 2010 5:49AM PDT

I learned that years ago.

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:-) I have missed
Mar 22, 2010 7:01AM PDT

..... your delightful sense of humor! Happy


Angeline

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(NT) Yeah, like a pit bull.
Mar 25, 2010 1:03AM PDT
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Apparently
Mar 22, 2010 7:19AM PDT

this is what she thinks about Canada;

""They'd better hope the United States doesn't roll over one night and crush them. They are lucky we allow them to exist on the same continent," she once said during a television debate."

So, does she think the US owns the whole of the Americas now?

Personally I think it's pretty stupid of the university/universities to invite her, then attempt to tell her what she can or cannot talk about. I wouldn't have invited her in the first place.

I also feel that the university authorities should trust their students. I imagine she will find the whole process disturbing the minute she appears before the acutely attentive and very hostile audience.

Mark

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If only Canadians/liberals had a sense of humor...
Mar 22, 2010 8:18AM PDT

it would be a different world.

They need to get over themselves.

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A better sense of humor
Mar 22, 2010 10:05AM PDT

and getting over themselves would do a lot of people good. And others around them also.

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(NT) Post your funniest joke Ed.
Mar 22, 2010 10:12AM PDT
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there was this moose, a polar bear, and a lonely Canadian...
Mar 22, 2010 3:13PM PDT

...darn, I forgot the punch line.

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Why would a Canadian be lonely
Mar 22, 2010 8:20PM PDT

with a moose AND a polar bear?

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In the logging camps of Northern Ontario it was traditional
Mar 25, 2010 1:18AM PDT

that if you complained about the food you became the cook. Well, one guy was utterly fed up with that job, so he baked a pie crust and a lid and went out and collected the largest piece of moose **** he could find, popped the whole thing in the oven and brought it out for dessert. There were grumbles and mumbles and no little retching until one guy stood up and said "This tastes like moose **** cookie. But good, cookie, BUT GOOD !!!"

Rob

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Priest, Rabbi, JW walk into a bar.
Mar 31, 2010 7:49AM PDT

Bartender says, "What is this, a joke?"

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Priest, Rabbi, JW walk into same bar, next day.
Mar 31, 2010 7:53AM PDT

Bartender says, "Awww, you guys!"

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She came, she spoke , they cheered, they booed
Mar 22, 2010 2:52PM PDT
I'm the victim of a hate crime, Ann Coulter tells Canadian audience

LONDON, Ont. -- Inflammatory right-wing pundit Ann Coulter took aim at a University of Ottawa administrator on Monday, saying an email from the school warning her to use "restraint, respect and consideration" when addressing Ontario students during a speaking tour this week made her a victim of a "hate crime."

Speaking to students and academics at the University of Western Ontario on Monday night, Ms. Coulter said the email sent to her on Friday by Fran
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conservatives
Mar 22, 2010 3:15PM PDT

Anything said against Conservatives now shall be considered a hate crime. Conservatives are an identifiable group.

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She's certainly covering her bets.
Mar 22, 2010 9:09PM PDT

""I'm sure the Human Rights Commission will get to the bottom of it," Ms. Coulter said to loud cheers from the 800-strong audience. "I think I'm the victim of a hate crime here. Either what [Mr. Houle] did was a hate crime, or the whole commission is B.S."

So she is going to complain about her loss of Human Rights. And if they fails to find in her favor, then they are **!

I wasn't there of course, but I wonder if those 'loud cheers' from the Canadian students were ironic?

Mark