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What a crock

ONLY Serbians are "war criminals"? Why? Because after the many murders of Serbian police in Kosovo, the Serbians finally had enough and came in as was their right to protect part of their national region, and that even their homeland. We put on multiple wars because of "terrorism against America" and Serbia was dealing with the same sort of terrorism constantly long before we were. What hypocrites we are. Now, the real question is how will we react when the Atzlan movement and MECA decide to carve off a section of our southwestern states to themselves? We will intervene the same as the Serbians did when the Muslim Albanian immigrants, many having entered Kosovo illegally, decided to carve out Kosovo for themselves, to take what was not theirs.

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(NT) MECA = MEChA? if not, what?
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Yes

and toss in Raza.

http://www.insearchofaztlan.com/plan.html
LIBERATION
A nation, autonomously free, culturally, socially,
economically and politically, will make its own decisions on the usage
of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies
for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment) and the
profit of our sweat.
EL PLAN ESPIRITUTAL DE AZTL

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There you go James
A nation, autonomously free, culturally, socially, economically and politically, will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment) and the profit of our sweat.

Sounds like a place YOU could live.
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If you want a nation based on race

will you be packing for there soon?

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RE: If you want a nation based on race

YES....the Human Race.

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Tried some of the links
See where YOU end up

For something that you're concerned about, they don't seem too fanatical in their supposed objective.
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Read about this and don't know if it's true or

just over hyped. I'd also wonder if the old alien and sedition acts would have any relevance these days.

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Where did you get that from in my post, James?

Sadly, my best source on the conflict, and a wonderful musician named Steve Starchev, Serbian father, Slovenian mother, is no longer alive to dispute what you say. He pointed out regularly that much Croat and Kossovar mistreatment went unremarked, but he also noted that because the Serbians controlled the Army, they were much better equipped and organized. But first and foremost, they were all Slavs, every last one of them. And so are the Macedonians who live in Serbia, Bosnia and northern Greece. The divisions arise from the Turkish conquest and the clinging of parts of the populace to their old religions, but all of them are Slavs from the same group of tribes which migrated into the mountains of the Balkans from the north.

"The term Balkans is generally used to describe areas that remained under Turkish rule after 1699, namely: Bulgaria, Serbia (exceptfor Vojvodina), Macedonia, Thrace, Albania, Valahia, Moldavia, Epirus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro (except for the Boka Bay and Budva), central Greece and the Peloponnese."

Sarajevo, a pocket of Serbs and Croats previously living well together, but surrounded by Serb territory on the hills and mountains surrounding Sarajevo. Ratko Mladic was the general in command and ordered the shelling of the whole of Sarajevo, with a view to its destruction. Mladic hated Serbs who lived in peace with their neighbours and considered them as much the enemy as the Croats

Srbrenica, a Serb town in Kosovo which was about 50/50 Serb and Kosovar in Bosnia (not Serbia, unless you accept the concept of Greater Serbia expounded by Mladic and Karadzic and the rest which basically said "The rest of you get out!), again a place which got along reasonably well and without serious conflict until the Kosovars moved for independence from Bosnia because they were Muslim, and the Serbs in Serbia and Bosnia and Croatia, were Greek Orthodox. Now, some Muslims from various countries did attempt to join the fight, but "the Muslim Albanian immigrants, many having entered Kosovo illegally" is a gross exaggeration, but not quite an outright falsehood, In response to Serbian aggression, some Albanians did sneak across the border to fight, but owing to Albania's poverty, they were damned few.

The starvation camps most frequently covered were the Serb ones holding Croats. The mass graves were predominantly Croats killed by Serbs, but there were some graves of Serbs killed by Croats or Kosovars. The rape camps were Serb inventions. Some retaliation occurred after these atrocities were publicized.

To repeat, all the participants were Slavs. Slovenia and Croatia were Roman Catholic, the Kosovars were Muslim forcibly converted by the Ottoman Turks in the 16th Century, as was the population of Albania.

Modern Greek had to be re-constructed, because nobody spoke Greek when Greece was liberated in the 19th Century, they spoke Turkish. Modern Greek contains a great deal of Turkish, and is far from the original Classical Greek of the New Testament and the Greek poets. As it is, the melon sellers who go through the streets of Athens call out the Turkish word for melon, not the Greek one, because that's what the population understand in colloquial speech.

Your comparisons regarding the provocation for the Wars are wrong. Serbia considered itself the guardian and the most powerful community in Yugoslavia. As soon as elements began to split off, they reacted to attempt to force them back into the fold. It is impossible to figure out who fired first, and who was the most in the wrong.

What can be done is to catch the most prominent political and military criminals identified by the UN, and European peace keeping nations. Half a dozen Croats have been tried by the Court in the Hague, but that seems to have passed you by.

Do you have a preferred group of Slavs, James, or do you weep for them all, as I do. I attend an Orthodox church once a year for Steve, and light a candle for him.

Rob

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Rob, you say perhaps more than you

were aware of:
But first and foremost, they were all Slavs, every last one of them. And so are the Macedonians who live in Serbia, Bosnia and northern Greece. The divisions arise from the Turkish conquest and the clinging of parts of the populace to their old religions, but all of them are Slavs from the same group of tribes which migrated into the mountains of the Balkans from the north.

Toynbee said that nationalism was the great curse of civilizations, but that religion (he meant his RC church and other 'traditional, mainstream' outfits) would be the salvation of society by overriding national interests. The Balkan disgrace was just one fatal 'counterargument' history has given us. On topic, The Massacre was an anti-Muslim act.

Myself, I'm happy that Jehovah is "the Judge of all the earth". Gen 18:25
Also because for a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. Acts 10:34

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RE: the real question is how will we react when the Atzlan
Now, the real question is how will we react when the Atzlan movement and
MECA decide to carve off a section of our southwestern states to
themselves?


Do you think this will happen in your lifetime?
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So was Mladic in Kosovo as well?

I thought Mladic was on the run by the time the Kosovo conflict blew up.

Mladic is the one who slaughtered thousands of Bosnian men, including teenagers, whether they had been combatants or not.

He didn't believe in prisoners of war. He believed in Ethnic Cleaning.

You call that a crock?

Your later links have nothing to do with this topic either directly or indirectly. You are free, of course, to raise your own topic on that if you wish.

Mark

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You can't understand comparisons?

I'll explain. Serbia owned Kosovo, it was a part of their territory. Serbia started suffering terrorist activities from that region by separatists, especially the assassinations of police. Finally, Serbia reacted the same as any nation would when it's under attack, whether that be by internal or external forces. In this case the attacks were by internal dissidents, many as descendants of illegal aliens who had come across the border into Kosovo from their homeland area, Albania.

Can you begin to see the building similarities to the US and those illegal immigrants coming across the Mexican border? Most of them began here from parents who entered illegally. Now they also are starting to plan on carving off a piece of the United States for themselves. Political agitation is already at work. Will stronger actions be that far behind? What will the US do when these separatist groups begin to put their plans into action? Will the US run to the UN and say, "Please, help us carve off a piece of ourselves so these malcontents can take away that part of our nation"?

Of course not.

We will take steps to insure that won't happen, even if it leads to a war eventually. We will do the same thing Serbia did under similar conditions. Look at what we've done already across the world to chase down those we've considered terrorist who attacked our country. Think we will do less when MEChA or any other Hispanic based group decide to try and make their "Atzlan" plans become reality?

Of course not.

That which is past, is that which will also be future, but the next time it may be here.

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(NT) So it's OK to line thousands of civilians up and shoot them?
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when the civilians ARE the combatants

the ones attacking and then fading back as "civilians", then what approach would you prefer to use?

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And, Diana, the Dutch blue helmets

feel guilty to this day about their orders, which kept them from any useful response. Mladic promised them the townsfolk would be treated decently, then began his work almost under their eyes. I present this as established fact, per many outside news sources over the years.

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Didn't say he was the only one to blame

Too many times in the last few decades, people that were supposed to be under the protection of the UN were slaughtered. Are you saying that lets the slaughterers off the hook?

Diana

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Off topic

The topic is about Ratko Mladic, the butcher of Bosnia.

Not sure why you can't understand that.

Mark

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One nations villian, another's Hero.

Some background on why the Serbs hate the Bosnians, Croats, and Albanians from the times of the Turkish Ottoman Empire until today. Nothing the Serbs have done equal the centuries they suffered under Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JanissaryLong term oppression and abuse of Serbs by the Turks (Muslims) during the Ottoman Empire.According to military historian Michael Antonucci, every five years, Turkish administrators would scour their regions for the strongest sons of the sultan's Christian subjects. These boys, usually between the ages of 10 and 12, were then taken from their parents and given to the Turkish families in the provinces to learn Turkish language and customs, and the rules of Islam. Then these boys were gathered to be enrolled in Janissary training. The recruit was immediately indoctrinated into the ways of Islam. He was supervised 24 hours a day and subjected to severe discipline. He was prohibited from growing a beard, taking up a skill other than war, or marrying. The first Janissary units were formed from prisoners of war and slaves, probably as a result of the sultan taking his traditional one-fifth share of his army's booty in kind rather than cash.[3] From the 1380s onwards, their ranks were filled under the dev?irme system, where feudal dues were paid by service to the sultan.[3] The "recruits" were mostly Christian youths, reminiscent of Mamelukes.[1] Sultan Murad may have used futuwa groups as a model.Initially the recruiters favoured Greeks (who formed the largest part of the first units) and Albanians (who also served as gendarmes), usually selecting about one boy from forty houses, but the numbers could be changed to correspond with the need for soldiers. Boys aged 14-18 were preferred, though ages 8-20 could be taken."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia_and_HerzegovinaOnce the kingdom of Yugoslavia was conquered by Nazi forces in World War II, all of Bosnia was ceded to the Independent State of Croatia. The Croat leaders embarked on a campaign of extermination of Serbs, Jews, Roma, communist and large numbers of Josip Broz Tito's Partisans by setting up a number of death camps.In 1943 a number of Albanians from Kosovo and the Sand?ak region were recruited and teamed up into Battalion I/2 (later I/2Cool. This was perhaps the best trained and equipped Nazi Albanian military formation during the war. Ironically, via rail on 17 April 1944, the formation was transferred directly from combat in Bosnia to Kosovo following the creation of 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian). The head of Waffen SS recruitment, SS Obergruppenf

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What Radko Mladic will face
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So, like the Serbs, you want to re-fight the religious wars

of the 12th and 13th and 14th ad infinitum Centuries. Terrible things were done by all groups, religious, ethnic, ?racial? 800 years ago. They aren't now. You can't win points by trying to revive the brutality

You need to learn how to spell Ustace with a little mark under the "c". It is pronounced Oostasheh. The Croats joined the Germans because the Serbs joined the Russians. What is particularly peculiar is that Josip Broz, code named Tito, was a Croat who derived his support from Serbians. The Brits who worked with him, and supplied him, thought he was a remarkable man, exceptionally intelligent, and was merely using the cover of "Communism" to hold his forces together. Tito broke with Moscow very shortly after WW2, and managed to keep Yugoslavia in line mostly by bashing heads together. But one man rule, doesn't lead to stability.

The Serb equivalent were the Cetniks, again with that little mark under the "c". Pronounced Chetniks. Unfortunately the leader of the Cetniks turned the membership lists over to the Nazis during the invasion of Yugoslavia in 1941, who then did just what you'd expect, yet another reason for the Serbs to hate the Nazis.

The War in Yugoslavia, or Jugland as the Brits called it because they spelled it Jugoslavia was one of those "every man's hand turned against all" Serbs and Croats were more interested in fighting one another than the Germans. This was also true in Greece where Communist Greeks were trying to wipe out any other kind of Greek, and frequently collaborated with Nazis. After the War there was an all out civil war in Greece, with the Brits supporting the non-Communist side.

Rob

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An interesting case.

It's said that Serbia [as it exists now] wants to enter the EU, but can't until it 'cleans up its past acts'. This is thought to be a constructive step, because Serbian officials caught him in Serbia, in his home area, so rank-and-file Serbians may have helped.

That motive doesn't preclude a return to ethnic cleansing- and the factors are still there. Moreover, there are reports of protests against his arrest by Serbian nationalists. Seems they didn't get the message.

So, religious conflicts, nationalism. All the ingredients are still there.

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Absolutely not. I was commenting

(yet again! Happy ) that man seems unable to 'direct his own steps' to his own good.

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