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SENATE VOTES ON NATIONAL LANGUAGE

May 18, 2006 11:29PM PDT

The United States Senate, known for taking forever to pass any meaningful legislation, seems to be on a bit of a tear lately. Yesterday Senators voted 63-34 to make English the national language. It's about time. Actually, they didn't exactly use the words "national language." Instead, they chose to call it a "common and unifying language." Whatever.

This is a start. If you want to come to the United States and be a part of the culture, you should have to learn English. For too long, we have coddled people who expect to come here and continue speaking Spanish. So now we have English being taught as a second language. We have signs in both English and Spanish. And who can forget the most annoying thing of all: when you call a customer service line, being told to press a button if you speak English.

In fact, before you are granted citizenship into this country, you should be given a simple language test. If you cannot demonstrate your ability to speak the native language, you're out. Go home, learn English and then try again. It really is as simple as that.

its very true learn/read english to become a citizen

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

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Mark, Mark...
May 22, 2006 4:19AM PDT

You HAVE to lighten up. Your back to the same as you were before the snake hunting.

"you forget americas an english country" Is it? Well not too long ago there wasn't anyone but native Americans and then a whole bunch of different nationalities came here and they didn't all speak English.

"if you come here to live become us not have us become you" Who has demanded such thing? Tell me exactly WHO has demanded that "we" should become "them"? Just the "we" and "them" mentality shows clearly that you prefer to divide the country rather than unify it.

"why come here to become americans and keep your old lousey countrys values as why did they want to come here then?" What exactly do you mean by "old lousey countrys values". Who have that? Do you think your values are the only good ones?

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terry
May 22, 2006 5:22AM PDT

if they come here to be at home why come herer stay where they came from.

and when they come here lawfully take our values then ill welcome them

the lawbreakers should be deported.

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Since you choose to
May 22, 2006 6:38AM PDT

just keep pointing out your opinion as you've done in many posts instead of making a comment on my actual post, there is no use to even continue this discussion with you. You will just keep repeating yourself over and over again.

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and when you cant chalange my post you attack
May 22, 2006 6:40AM PDT

americas english not spanish
invaders allways want there language spoken hence the spanish options on every thing

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Hahahaha...
May 22, 2006 6:39AM PDT

Here's a good English word...

Codswallop!

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you'll get a kick out of this
May 22, 2006 11:04AM PDT

I never heard codswallop in my life. had to look it up in dictionary. 5 min ago on o'reilly. a fan from pa sent it to o as a word for him to use. do you have family in pa or is that were you really live?

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It's an obscure word, but not that obscure...
May 22, 2006 12:25PM PDT

been using it for years.

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correct me if i'm wrong...
May 22, 2006 1:12PM PDT

Are you saying that its ok to have a foreign language forced upon us,irregardless of which one.

Every american would have to learn every langauge there is,reason being,there are many cultures in this country.Thats absolutely absurd.

I see signs now and then and i have no idea what they say.I can't even make a phone call without haveing to select english or spanish.

Do you know how it feels to be refused gainful employment just cause i don't speak spanish.I ask you,is that fair to me.I'm being discriminated in my own country for speaking english.


Tom

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Correcting.
May 22, 2006 2:25PM PDT

"Are you saying that its ok to have a foreign language forced upon us,irregardless of which one." Where did you see me saying that I wanted to force any language upon any person?

"Do you know how it feels to be refused gainful employment just cause i don't speak spanish.I ask you,is that fair to me.I'm being discriminated in my own country for speaking english." Did you know that in Europe and in Spain too, you have a better chance to get certain jobs the more languages you speak? Just think about it, why do you think an employer would want you to speak spanish? Because they do business with Spanish speaking people/countries?

Tom, I am sorry if you are trying to get a job and you have less of a chance if you don't speak spanish. But I have seen companies in Germany that require you to speak English because they do business with the USA. Companies in Spain that require you to speak Russian because they do business with Russia.

You are not being discriminated at all. Some businesses have requirements that not all of us have. I couldn't work for a car mechanic but I can't say that I am discriminated because of that!

I hope your employment situation improves soon. And if all the jobs that you are interested in require Spanish, I suggest you take classes or try to focus on other jobs that don't require a second language.

Good Luck Tom!

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well in germany english isnt the language
May 22, 2006 2:45PM PDT

the usa is was and is a english speaking language.

the spanish speakers need learn it or go home

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"well in germany english isnt the language"
May 22, 2006 3:19PM PDT

That's exactly my point! But some jobs require you to speak English in countries where English isn't the main language! So, get used to a globalized world.

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So, get used to a globalized world.
May 22, 2006 3:40PM PDT

If thats the case,how come some people who speak spanish in this country refuse to learn english.

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this is america
May 22, 2006 11:03PM PDT

our native language is english
if you want to become a citizen and become 1 with your adoptive country learn, speak there language.

how many road signs in germany are in english?

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You talk about road signs...
May 23, 2006 3:02AM PDT

AFAIK there are very few in English in Germany. And here in NYC there aren't many (if any) in Spanish either. What I do see is a lot of Hebrew stuff in certain areas. Not where I live though but in other areas.

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and why not english signs
May 23, 2006 3:13AM PDT

seems to me if theres english speaking people english in germany should be required.
i mean if your a modern country germany should forgo its native language
i mean you seem to think we here in america an english speaking country should speak spanish.

and when was the last time that you called a bussisness here in the usa that you hear click# for hebrew?

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Once again Mark
May 23, 2006 3:32AM PDT

You don't stay with the issue.

You talked about road signs and all of a sudden came in to a lot more than just that.

"i mean you seem to think we here in america an english speaking country should speak spanish." First off. Where does it say that we are English speaking?
Second, where did I say that "we" (once again you make a difference between people and people by talking about "we" and them" which IMO is very wrong. I wna tthis country to be OUR country, not part "ours" and part theirs". And in order to acheive that it takes both sides to give and take!) should have to learn Spanish? Please link to a post where I or anyone else for that matterm states that the non-Spanish speaking citizen of this nation should speak Spanish in general! If there is a job that you apply for that requires Spanish, of course you have to fit the profile they're looking for.

"and when was the last time that you called a bussisness here in the usa that you hear click# for hebrew?" Not too long ago. I called a doctor's office where they had that option. BUT, that is not interesting at all. We talked about signs, and many signs in part of NYC are in Hebrew whether you like it or not! There are stores where they don't even speak English but only Hebrew and where they even close on Saturdays even if America isn't Jewish! How bad that is, isn't it? Or does it depend on who does it?

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we are english speaking
May 23, 2006 3:56AM PDT

country where would you think anythink else


and are they unlawfull enteries nope but then you new that

and in a local area seems the horde is all over latino invasion

you dont see spanish here in usa as 2nd language i wonder why, as its not the native tounge here
now if you went to a latino country will you leanr there language or would you DEMAND they learn yours?
just as these invaders are doing

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Next time you're in the neighborhood ...
May 23, 2006 4:04AM PDT

... write down the names of a few of these establishments please and post them here. I would love to visit and see for myself a Jewish establishment in NYC where nobody speaks English.

While you are at it, can you give me the frequency or call letters for these stations where I can hear this wonderful rap music of which you exhalt?

TIA.

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Hebrew road signs?
May 23, 2006 3:59AM PDT

LOL

You see signs of all languages in NYC -- just go to "Little Whereever" and you'll see them in the language of "Whereever". You will notice, however, that such neighborhoods are rarely prosperous in the large scheme of things. They are unified by their language within, but not with the world around them. The only way to get beyond those enclaves to make progress is to speak English so that one can do business, communicate, become educated, offer a unique talent, etc. with everyone.

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Terry
May 22, 2006 3:15PM PDT

"But I have seen companies in Germany that require you to speak English because they do business with the USA. Companies in Spain that require you to speak Russian because they do business with Russia".

These type of positions that you mention are for upper management,When big money deals are made.This has not thing one to do with me,I work with tools.I have to learn spanish to change a motor.


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"Some businesses have requirements that not all of us have. I couldn't work for a car mechanic but I can't say that I am discriminated because of that"!

What you are talking about here is certain skills with has nothing to do with speaking another language.

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"And if all the jobs that you are interested in require Spanish, I suggest you take classes or try to focus on other jobs that don't require a second language".

The jobs that i am interested do not normally require a second language,its just that they work for less.i do not seek employment as a translator,or where a second language has any relevence to job itself.Why do i have to speak a second language to do what i normally do,which is work as a service tech.

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"As far as talking classes"

Are you saying that i should go to school to learn another langauge,why don't they learn english.Do you realize how many langauges there are.If i follow your logic i would have to learn chinese,russian,and so on,and so on,and so on.....I think thats a little off the deep end.

People have had ample time to learn the langauge.In fact,there is plenty of assistance from the goverment to achive this.The problem is that this should have been enacted years ago and now the situation has become exacerbated.

You tell me,an american citizen to take a class to learn another langauge.Why not tell them to take a class to learn english.

Tom

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Who is this Leonard Pitts?
May 21, 2006 11:43PM PDT

He obviously prefers the opportunity sapping status quo of immigrants (largely illegal, but some legal) not learning the language of success. I guess he doesn't want to lose his quaint non-English speaking help.

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If you were truely interested in whi he is
May 21, 2006 11:44PM PDT

you would have googled him before posting.

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I'm not really
May 21, 2006 11:46PM PDT

He's just wrong.

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So you don't know either?
May 22, 2006 5:28AM PDT
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Link...
May 22, 2006 5:31AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) On what information do you base your guess, Evie?
May 22, 2006 6:32AM PDT
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HE has a Pulitzer Prize for Commentary, Evie --
May 29, 2006 1:09AM PDT

and I'm sure he thinks quite highly of YOUR credentials.

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i think highly of her credentials
May 29, 2006 1:42AM PDT

more than yours dk!

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Thank you Mark ...
May 29, 2006 1:48AM PDT

... I guess now personal attacks by the Mods are acceptable. Sad

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only if its the special mod
May 29, 2006 7:19AM PDT

the one that unlocks threads to post then relocksSad