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Scientific American re" 'The Water Crisis'

by Angeline Booher / September 7, 2008 8:15 AM PDT

I clicked on some of the topics listed, and it looked like an interesting site. There are portions of my state that have been in extreme drought. last year the state of Georgia was in such a devastating one that they filed suit to say that our common border survey was in error, and thus a waterway that was in TN should have been in Georgia.

There are some interesting world wde maps, especally those that reflect the growing populations.

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This is where some smart cookie is going to make a fortune
by critic411 / September 7, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
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Interesting articles
by James Denison / September 7, 2008 10:35 AM PDT

Didn't realize so much water could be desalinated for such a low cost. If needed just for drinking supply, that's very cost efficient. More gray water use needs to occur too, but often localities stand in the way of that.

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Re: easy enough to remove the salt
by jonah jones / September 7, 2008 7:59 PM PDT

as the article says, you need heat, and where do have excessive amounts of (free) heat?

nuclear power stations....

IMO, one untapped (forgive the pun) source is the so called "grey water"


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yeah, there's also a lot of heat in Texas, I've noticed...
by shawnlin / September 9, 2008 5:48 AM PDT

seriously...when are we gonna get some good thermo-electric generators on a massive scale!?


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(NT) And what does that have to do with sea water?
by critic411 / September 8, 2008 1:45 AM PDT
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Your post was not just about sea water, ne?
by grimgraphix / September 8, 2008 1:59 AM PDT
"This is where some smart cookie is going to make a fortune"

It was about water as a business... it was about making a fortune on drinking water correct? Do I need to make the connections for you or are you just going to stomp your foot and grumble just because I failed to stick with your precise agenda?
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No, Angies post was about the water business
by critic411 / September 9, 2008 11:27 PM PDT

My was about sea water.
Nothing more, nothing less.

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First they get the water.....Then an Ice Cartel
by JP Bill / September 9, 2008 5:32 AM PDT

Ice Cartel Yes, you heard right. I'm talking about ice, baby - the packaged stuff for sale at corner stores and gas stations, the cubes you use to fill up a picnic cooler or a bath tub of beer. As part of our on-going series, Watershed, we're going to take a look at the packaged ice industry today, an industry worth about 1.8 billion dollars a year in the United States alone. American authorities are investigating three North American packaged ice companies over an alleged price-fixing scheme. The allegation is that the companies colluded to divide up the market in order to artificially inflate prices. In June, one of the companies pleaded guilty to allocating customers and territories. One of the companies under investigation is Winnipeg-based Arctic Glacier. Martin McNulty is the former Vice President of Sales for Arctic Glacier. He's suing his old employer for backpay and other damages. In his lawsuit he alleges that he was fired for blowing the whistle on the company. Martin McNulty was in Novi, Michigan. Daniel Low is Mr. McNulty's lawyer and he was also in Washington. Arctic Glacier declined our request for an interview. However, Keith McMahon, the company's President and CEO did send us a written statement.

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hells bells! did you see Part 3???
by jonah jones / September 9, 2008 5:52 AM PDT

Part 3: The Forsaken

The idea of moving from one country to another in search of work is, by now, almost second nature. But back in the 1930s, that kind of mobility ended up destroying thousands of lives. And yet, it's a story few of us even know about. It was during the Great Depression when tens-of-thousands of Americans -- and also many Canadians -- moved to Stalin's Russia in search of work and a better life.

Instead they ended up in the Gulags where most of them were worked to death. No one ever acknowledged them. And no one -- including their own governments -- tried to save them.

Tim Tzouliadis calls them The Forsaken. That is the title of his new book, and he's was in London, England.


that is the first time i ever heard of it, is anybody familiar with that period? the story?


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I just heard the "hook" on the radio this morning
by JP Bill / September 9, 2008 5:57 AM PDT

before I got out to run errands.

I had never heard that before.

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communist sympathizers
by James Denison / September 9, 2008 6:23 AM PDT

part of the communist party in the early union movement. They followed thier ideology to another country when they couldn't force it here and reaped what they'd sown.

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If you listened to the story
by JP Bill / September 9, 2008 6:28 AM PDT
In reply to: communist sympathizers

(and agreed with the author) SOME of them were just people that wanted to work and earn a living, NO political affiliation.

If you don`t agree with the author, then?

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history being whitewashed by time
by James Denison / September 9, 2008 6:39 AM PDT

That's what it is. They were trying to destroy capitalism in America, make it a communistic state, and failing that decided to turn their backs on America and go to their worker's paradise.

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They were trying to destroy capitalism in America,
by JP Bill / September 9, 2008 6:43 AM PDT

Russia was the cause of the "Great Depression"?

If you say so.

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by James Denison / September 9, 2008 7:50 AM PDT

I didn't say that, did I? The Depression was a collapse of the credit system under capitalism in that day, but at the same time Communist were doing all they could to try and continue their march toward world domination. Thankfully they failed. Many who realized communism wasn't going to take over America instead left to where communism already was. Many of them were unionists. Perhaps some historical perspective would help you understand those days better.


In 1905, the Industrial Workers of the World formed from several independent labor unions. The IWW opposed the political means of Debs and De Leon, as well as the craft unionism of Samuel Gompers. In 1910, the Sewer Socialists, the main group of American socialists, elected Victor Berger as a socialist Congressman and Emil Seidel as a socialist mayor of Milwaukee, WI, most of the other elected city officials being socialist as well. This Socialist Party of America grew to 150,000 in 1912 and polled 897,000 votes in the presidential campaign of that year, 6 percent of the total vote. Socialist mayor Daniel Hoan, was elected in 1916 and stayed in office until 1940.

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(NT) hogwash
by jonah jones / September 9, 2008 6:49 AM PDT
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Is this discussion going anywhere in particular?
by caktus / September 9, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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should i start a new thread? ;-)
by jonah jones / September 9, 2008 6:46 PM PDT

the story is fascinating, and it's the first time i ever heard mention of it (although maybe White Nights touched on a similar subject)....


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Sweems to be...
by caktus / September 10, 2008 7:45 AM PDT

going back and forth between 'The Water Crisis' and "the depression.

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In what may be considered the most dysfunctional county..
by lylesg / September 9, 2008 12:07 PM PDT

in the entire US, exists one of the most advanced and efficient water systems in world. It's just about the only right thing that exists in Clayton County, Georgia now days. Throughout the recent drought years in Georgia, the county never suffered a water shortage due to some very innovative thinking leaders from the county's past.

"And in a region where each drop of Lake Lanier's levels produces an audible gulp among its leaders, Clayton County's reservoirs are full to the brim. Its water system is considered one of the most progressive in the nation. Virtually drought-proof, the county's water needs are supported by four reservoirs scattered throughout the county."

The short of it is that in addition to reservoirs the county reclaims all rainfall water as well as waste water. The water is partially treated and it's then pumped trough irrigation piping to thousands of acres of forest lands planted with pulpwood pines. The constant irrigation of the trees produces usable forest products much quicker than a non irrigated farms. The wood is then harvested and sold commercially. But, the most important part of the process is that these wood lands were strategically located above the underground water tables within the county and the water goes through a natural filtration down through the soil and by the time it reaches the underground water table it's been through mother nature's filter. The water then enters reservoirs as clean water and from the reservoirs goes through additional purification and then pumped to the taps. Wetlands are now being created within the county, too.

People from all over the world tour "The Little County That Couldn't" quite often to study their innovative water system.


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Thought, Angeline...
by J. Vega / September 9, 2008 2:03 PM PDT

What would a shipping port on the Tennessee River be worth to the state of Georgia? With the incorrect survey line, Georgia doesn't include any of the river. With the corrected one, there is contact. Also, consider towns on the border, or ones with the border running through it. Some people would then find themselves living in a place with a state income tax, where before their location was in a state with no state income tax.

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TN River to be like Colorado River?? Because of a "sliver'?
by Angeline Booher / September 10, 2008 12:04 AM PDT
In reply to: Thought, Angeline...

The beginning.

WHEREAS, in 1818 when the border between Georgia and Tennessee was marked by surveyors, mistakes were made that deprived Georgia of a sliver of the Tennessee River.

WHEREAS, Georgia?s water supply is now threatened by a severe drought.

WHEREAS, Georgia lawmakers on Wednesday passed a resolution to restore the boundary line to its appropriate latitude, notwithstanding skepticism all around and outright insults from their neighbors to the north.


And the end of round one.

Taking a cue from Tennessee state lawmakers? refusal to form a border commission and discuss the state line dispute, Georgia legislators will try a different approach.

Sen. Shafer amended his bill to drop the call for group negotiations and instead to direct Gov. Sonny Perdue to deal directly with Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen on the issue.

If it comes to Georgia?s attorney general filing suit, the border dispute would be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.


Georgia agreed that their lake Lanier that serves serve the ever-growing needs of not only Georgia, bit also the ever-growing needs of Florida.

This sliver of an "error" they claim would give them rights to suck all of the water they want to send to Florida did not come up util the drought hit.

Now, East TN also is in drought, and needs all of the water it can get from the TN River.

I also wonder what financial interest that GA legislator has in the mix.

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Sonny Perdue
by lylesg / September 10, 2008 12:45 AM PDT

"Sen. Shafer amended his bill to drop the call for group negotiations and instead to direct Gov. Sonny Perdue to deal directly with Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen on the issue."

IMO - Sonny Perdue will be hard to reach. He'll do and say just enough to keep the monkee off his back and that's about it. Perdue is what he is. Happy

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I found it hard to believe about GA, myself.
by drpruner / September 9, 2008 4:18 PM PDT

Compared to NM I think of the Deep South as awash, as they say. Guess not any more. Sad

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The US Congress....
by lylesg / September 10, 2008 12:16 AM PDT

established the boundary between Tennessee and Georgia to be the 35th parallel. That puts the boundary line through part of the Tennessee River thus giving both states river access. The problem is that the 1811 surveyors didn't mark the X in the correct spot (GPS must have been down that day.) Some claim the Cherokee Indians were hot on their trail and they were in a hurry to leave the area. However, the BIG question is - should a wrong be righted after so many years? The courts will have to decide if Tennessee is to share the river with Georgia, so who knows. Happy I'm not sure if moving an eastern boundary affects the western boundary in this case and if so, would Mississippi end up with a part of Memphis, etc ? But, the 35th parallel will remain constant that's for sure.

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(NT) Weren't the Cherokee a peaceful bunch?
by caktus / September 10, 2008 5:58 AM PDT
In reply to: The US Congress....
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Your biggest water waster is your shower
by Dango517 / September 10, 2008 9:08 PM PDT

and for less then ten bucks ($10.00 US) you can do something about it. Low flow shower heads are available to shut down the flow of water you use while taking a shower. The average 15 gallon minute shower uses more then 30 gallons of water.

Buy one of these:


These are available at most hardware and home center in the plumbing department and take maybe, ten minutes to put on.

We use a 1.5 gallon per minute shower head and did not notice a difference except in our water bill. Saving water can save you some green.

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That was an old Seinfeld episode!
by EdHannigan / September 10, 2008 9:23 PM PDT

In honor of your post I plan to take an extra long shower later on.

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