Windows Legacy OS forum

General discussion

School Problem

Have to help out at wifes school:
problem old comps on win98 se need ALL data removed and destroyed to to confiedentiality act in uk but still need operating system as they are going into other classrooms as stand alones.
new computers:
have reload old software onto each machine(20) can i create a cd so i can go from one machine to another?
cannot afford ghost to do it new system will be win xp proff.
help!

Discussion is locked
You are posting a reply to: School Problem
The posting of advertisements, profanity, or personal attacks is prohibited. Please refer to our CNET Forums policies for details. All submitted content is subject to our Terms of Use.
Track this discussion and email me when there are updates

If you're asking for technical help, please be sure to include all your system info, including operating system, model number, and any other specifics related to the problem. Also please exercise your best judgment when posting in the forums--revealing personal information such as your e-mail address, telephone number, and address is not recommended.

You are reporting the following post: School Problem
This post has been flagged and will be reviewed by our staff. Thank you for helping us maintain CNET's great community.
Sorry, there was a problem flagging this post. Please try again now or at a later time.
If you believe this post is offensive or violates the CNET Forums' Usage policies, you can report it below (this will not automatically remove the post). Once reported, our moderators will be notified and the post will be reviewed.
Collapse -
Well. . .

In reply to: School Problem

Uninstall all programs except Windows. Delete all folders except Windows. Run Defrag as this will overwite the cleared area of the drives.

Collapse -
Re: School problem

In reply to: School Problem

You seem to have two different problems here: install old software (I presume you mean both programs and data) onto new XP systems, and erase all sensitive data on the old systems.

You do not mention what kind of software you need to transfer; however, there are some generalities. You cannot transfer the program installations (e.g., the program files) to the new system; you must install them on the new systems so that all links and registry entries are made properly. ?Automated? installation over a network is available for some programs, provided the license allows it. You would need to check with the software publisher on this.

From your description, however, I suspect you will need to do individual installations. Large programs, such as Microsoft Office have their own CDs, and you should use them. Several small programs, whether on CDs or downloaded files, could possibly be copied to one CD. This would not speed up the actual installations, but would eliminate the need for inserting multiple disks.

Any data you need to transfer to the new system can be done via CD. However, if you have multiple users on the machines, the file structure on the XP systems is somewhat different than that on the 98SE systems. You must be careful to get the files in the proper new folders.

As for erasing, or ?wiping? the old files, it is not quite as simple as you may think. The Windows defrag program only overwrites part of the old data -- specifically, that data which underlies files that are moved to a new area of the disk. Software is available to recover much of that old data, and even data that has been overwritten by s simple pattern, such as all zeros.

Below is a typical sequence for complete erasure:

Disk Wiping Steps:

1. Select disk-wiping method based on the value of the data on the hard drive. Be careful; most companies undervalue their data.
2. Delete files. Use the ''Shift + Delete'' method so the files are deleted, not just sent to the Recycle Bin.
3. Empty Recycle Bin. Be sure to disable any additional third-party tools that prevent emptying of the Recycle Bin
4. Delete temporary Internet files and ''cookies.'' Internet files can reveal the activity of the user, and could release proprietary information if the user visits internal corporate Web sites.
5. Defrag hard drive. This will overwrite some data area and will improve the efficiency of the computer.
6. Wipe free space and slack space using tool of choice.
7. Wipe swap file using a DOS-based utility. This utility should be run from a bootable floppy, not run from within a DOS Window.

This was taken from

http://www.u1.net/u1.netcast/issue15.asp

But you will find essentially the same sequence on almost any site dealing with secure erasing.

Now, as for the wiping tool of your choice, this depends in part on how secure you want the wiping to be. You indicate that is a Government requirement, so they should be able to tell you this and possibly suggest appropriate software. If not, search the web for file erasing and file wiping. There are a number of programs to choose from, including some free ones.

Frank

Collapse -
Re: School problem

In reply to: School Problem

You seem to have two different problems here: install old software (I presume you mean both programs and data) onto new XP systems, and erase all sensitive data on the old systems.

You do not mention what kind of software you need to transfer; however, there are some generalities. You cannot transfer the program installations (e.g., the program files) to the new system; you must install them on the new systems so that all links and registry entries are made properly. ?Automated? installation over a network is available for some programs, provided the license allows it. You would need to check with the software publisher on this.

From your description, however, I suspect you will need to do individual installations. Large programs, such as Microsoft Office have their own CDs, and you should use them. Several small programs, whether on CDs or downloaded files, could possibly be copied to one CD. This would not speed up the actual installations, but would eliminate the need for inserting multiple disks.

Any data you need to transfer to the new system can be done via CD. However, if you have multiple users on the machines, the file structure on the XP systems is somewhat different than that on the 98SE systems. You must be careful to get the files in the proper new folders.

As for erasing, or ?wiping? the old files, it is not quite as simple as you may think. The Windows defrag program only overwrites part of the old data -- specifically, that data which underlies files that are moved to a new area of the disk. Software is available to recover much of that old data, and even data that has been overwritten by s simple pattern, such as all zeros.

Below is a typical sequence for complete erasure:

Disk Wiping Steps:

1. Select disk-wiping method based on the value of the data on the hard drive. Be careful; most companies undervalue their data.
2. Delete files. Use the ''Shift + Delete'' method so the files are deleted, not just sent to the Recycle Bin.
3. Empty Recycle Bin. Be sure to disable any additional third-party tools that prevent emptying of the Recycle Bin
4. Delete temporary Internet files and ''cookies.'' Internet files can reveal the activity of the user, and could release proprietary information if the user visits internal corporate Web sites.
5. Defrag hard drive. This will overwrite some data area and will improve the efficiency of the computer.
6. Wipe free space and slack space using tool of choice.
7. Wipe swap file using a DOS-based utility. This utility should be run from a bootable floppy, not run from within a DOS Window.

This was taken from

http

Collapse -
different questions-answers...

In reply to: School Problem

1. Will "old comps" be fast enough for XP Pro?
300mhz, 128mb ram minimum; 450mhz, 256mb ram recommended. Hdd's are recommended to be minimum of 4gb as XP pro+SP2+other stuff can take up about 3gb or more.
If all 20 are same PC, make-mfg, and add-ins, the job will be much easier. XP Pro allows many registrations if PC is almost exactly the same. Only 2 if not, unless your call to Microsoft gets cooperation.
2. I assume you will have an "institition copy" of XP Pro, if or not, you need to contact Microsoft to get advice about installing same copy of XP into 20 different machines...RE: must register online within 30 days or XP will quit working.
This may involve networking all 20 until done, with a modem in one, or installing a modem in each one, one at a time or 20 modems. Hopefully you have or can get the free MS CD with SP1-SP2 on it.
This is also about whether all 20 will need to be online-capable, and what the school uses for internet connection, Hi speed or dialup.
This is also about having an antivirus and being able to connect to keep updating weekly. If online-capable, it's also about spyware cleaners and keeping them updated.
USUALLY a school networks PC's with a main one so an administrator can do all these chores, and fixup, as students will mess them up. Student PC's are restricted about connecting with each other, and the internet, and the main server. Networking cable and NIC cards cost $$ if networking is not already on motherboard, and in building.
USUALLY, a school does not equip-allow classroom PC's to connect to the internet.
OFTEN, a school will contact a nearby college computer department for help...a college project to set you up right...free.
You'll have the same problem in 2 years to update to Longhorn. I'm assuming that the school wants to teach the current Operating Systems. If not, W98SE would be easier to deal with as the Hdd can be copied over as a slave, but lots more about that.
3. To wipe Hdd's, I use PowerMax from Maxtor, free, as it isn't proprietary, to write zero's to Hdd, or low level format. Then each needs to be repartitioned-reformatted. If all hdd's are same mfg, download the free Hdd Utility from the Mfg. Some have an option to copy a partition or whole Hdd to another.
Even with XP Pro, if you format with FAT32 beforehand and opt to keep this partioning, instead of allowing NTFS, the older W98SE programs will work. XP does allow most older programs to work anyway. What software do you want to load?
Give more info.

Popular Forums

icon
Computer Newbies 10,686 discussions
icon
Computer Help 54,365 discussions
icon
Laptops 21,181 discussions
icon
Networking & Wireless 16,313 discussions
icon
Phones 17,137 discussions
icon
Security 31,287 discussions
icon
TVs & Home Theaters 22,101 discussions
icon
Windows 7 8,164 discussions
icon
Windows 10 2,657 discussions

DEALS, DEALS, DEALS!

Best Black Friday Deals

CNET editors are busy culling the list and highlighting what we think are the best deals out there this holiday season.