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Samsung is bearding the Lion (Canon)

by snapshot2 Forum moderator / February 21, 2010 10:33 AM PST

Samsung has challenged Canon by producing a Premium digital camera to go head to head against the Canon G11.

The new Samsung TL500/EX1

Schneider Lens - f/1.8 - 2.4
3X 24-72mm
Swivel 3.0 inch LCD
Manual Controls:
..Shutter Priority - Aperture Priority - Program AE - Manual
10 Megapixel CCD sensor that measures 1/1.7 (same CCD specs as Canon).
RAW.

Available in the Spring.

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/02/samsung_tl500_with_bright_lens.html

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by kalel33-20416052469708587370302374692233 / February 21, 2010 11:51 AM PST

It'll be interesting to see how that sensor compares to the Sony Exmor-R sensor in the Canon S90 and G11. It's lens is very fast, especially for a compact camera. The only thing, off the initial specs, that would have some choose the G11 is that it only goes to 72mm, where the G11 can zoom to 140mm mm.

We did see that the LX3, even with the small zoom range, was the pinnacle of compact cameras until Canon shot back. This will be fun to watch.

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TL500
by Bemysuess / February 22, 2010 9:50 AM PST
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It's not
by kalel33-20416052469708587370302374692233 / February 22, 2010 11:04 AM PST
In reply to: TL500

The NX10 has an APS-C sized sensor, same used in most DSLRs. The sensor size much much larger than TL500. On top of that, the NX10 has interchangeable lens. The TL500 is better for the pocketable camera, but for pure image quality and range of options, with the interchangeable lens, the NX10 is a much better camera.

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Samsung's ambition
by hjfok / February 26, 2010 10:22 AM PST

It is nice to see Samsung taking an effort to improve image quality rather than throwing out another new hi tech electronic gimmick that has nothing to do with image quality. Samsung is an electronic giant like Sony, knows a lot about sensors and electronics but has no root in the legacy of optics/SLR. Sony acquired Minolta and Samsung partner with Pentax. And they both partner with high end lens manufacturers. Sony has done a pretty good job so far. Samsung however has been lagging behind in image quality, but manage to use their electronic expertise to crank out hi tech gimmicks that appeal to the gadget lovers, so basically selling camera's specs.

So this seems to be a good new direction for Samsung, along with their NX10, a copycat of the micro 4/3s of Panasonic and Olympus, to strive for better cameras and better image quality. Some call these EVIL (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens) cameras. It is perhaps the last phase of the digitalization of the old SLR world to complete the electronic age of photography, severing the umbilical tie to the old SLR.

One thing I do want to say about the new fast lenses found in compact PS. One should not confuse a fast compact lens to be equivalent to a fast D-SLR lens. A f/1.8 compact lens is no where near a f/1.8 D-SLR lens in terms of its brightness, quality, shallow depth of field, etc. There is a nice simple article that use simplified grade school single lens optics to explain the difference. Obviously the real lens is a lot more complicated consisting of multiple compound lens elements. But this is a good and simple way to illustrate the difference. This article illustrates mathematically how a compact lens can easily be about be 4 stops slower, need to magnify image/error 4 times more, has 4 times more DOF than a D-SLR lens with same f/number.
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/dpp/camera%20lens.htm

A bigger lens will have better quality, and a bigger sensor will usually need a bigger lens. This is inversely related to what people want, a small camera with compact lens but quality of a large D-SLR.

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For those who are more mathematically apt, ...
by hjfok / February 26, 2010 10:41 AM PST
In reply to: Samsung's ambition

Here is an old document trying to design a compact camera lens system, it is old and not what is used in today's camera. This is a college level exercise. If you can't sleep, then take a look at this and knock yourself out:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4443069.pdf

It just illustrates the complexity of lens design, and make you appreciate the link to the simple single lens theory and explanation above. Photographers have done a great job in simplifying optical equations to simple f-stops and simple principles to make them more user friendly and practical.

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Samsung Ambition
by snapshot2 Forum moderator / February 27, 2010 12:12 AM PST
In reply to: Samsung's ambition

Their progress has been impressive after their stumbling start in the digital camera world.

Their first digital cameras came on the market with a fanfair and all the reviewers were clammering to review them.
The reviewers were greatly disappointed and concluded the entire line of new cameras were equal to the poor camera products coming out of China.

Samsung was hit hard by the reviews and almost abandoned the digital camera project.

At that time the digital camera group were under the heavy industry division of Samsung.
They later were cut loose from the heavy industry division and were on their own.
A new line of digital cameras were introduced that were far superior to their first effort. But none of the reviewers even wanted to test them. So they got little notice.

After several years, a few reviewers took another look at Samsung digital cameras and saw lots of progress.
Now the reviewers are wanting to look at Samsung again, but it appears that Samsung is still stinging from those first reviews.
They have been slow to provide digital cameras to the bigger reviewers. Perhaps they are sensitive to past bad reviews.

They have been releasing some interesting cameras lately and I hope they warm up to the idea of putting their cameras out for review.

I noticed their SL420 about a year ago.
It had no specifications that made it stand out.
A 10meg 5X digital camera.
But when I did some pixel peeping at sample photographs from the SL420, I saw the results of a very sharp lens.
As good as any of the best that you will find on any small camera.
There were no special markings on the lens, just Samsung.
I don't know who built that lens, but they would do well to use more of them.

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