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Sager, Systemax and Prostar???

Jan 3, 2005 11:28PM PST

I've been doing research on laptops for a couple weeks now, hoping to purchase something this month. Until last week I had never heard of Sager, Systemax or Prostar as manufacturers of notebook computers. My question is what you guys think of those companies and their products? In particular, I've been looking at the Sager 3790 series, (Centrino, dedicated video ram...etc.), the Systemax Pursuit 4210 series, (again, Centrino, dedicated video ram...etc.), and the Prostar 3722 series, (same specs as the others.) I'd use the notebook for internet, e-mail, gaming, some travel and dvd watching. Any thoughts or personal experience with any of the models or companies I've mentioned would be a big help. Thanks in advance.

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Be careful with notebooks from a White box manufacturer
Jan 4, 2005 3:06AM PST

You are not taking as much of a risk with a White box manufacturer (or clone) in the desktop field as the parts are more interchangeable.

With notebooks it is much more important that you can get parts and batteries, etc for at least 3-4 years (as well as service).

So beware of buying from a smaller notebook company unless you have firsthand experience with their service and their parts availability down the road.

Also, the major companies keep posting driver and bios updates for free at their websites. See if your white box companies do the same.

Otherwise, when updates are made to Windows XP, etc you may not get optimal hardware performance (or you have to go looking for driver updates yourself elsewhere)

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Dell, HP/Compaq, or Gateway.
Jan 4, 2005 4:15AM PST

Plain and simple, you need the support you can get from the big manufacturers. The parts are more available and cheaper, and the companies are likely to be here in 3 years when your hard drive dies.

Plus I found that the prices are no better on Whitebox manufacturers.

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Research past performances on repairs and parts.
Jan 4, 2005 10:18AM PST

While these companies are still around the people who have a 3 year old unit from then in need of a "part" have found them less than capable of supplying parts.

I wouldn't consider them today.

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Can't go wrong
Jan 13, 2005 6:05PM PST

I have done my homework and I'd have to say go with the Sager, you get more bang for you buck and from what I have read everyone has lots of good to say about this machine.
Next month I will also be a proud owner of a Sager 3970.

Do make sure though that you go for the 12 cell battery, 7200 RPM HD and the 2Gig CPU. Also, order it with as little ram as possible and the seperately order some PC3200 SO-DIMMs as to take full advantage of the 400Mhz FSB being that it only comes with 333Mhz RAM.

Here is the site I most recommend to buy from....
http://powernotebooks.com/specs/Sager/3790specs.php

And this is why.....
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1980.html

God Bless and have fun man.

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It's gone very wrong.
Jan 13, 2005 9:19PM PST

Too many people I know bring me such name laptops and no parts are available in year 2 and 3 for said laptops. This can range from a keyboard to a CDROM drive.

These names may be slightly cheaper at day one, but their spare parts performances are the problem.

Bob

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Wrong! ...IMHO...You can go Very Wrong..
Aug 24, 2005 2:14PM PDT

HI, just read your opinion.. (re: PowerNoteBooks,com and SAGER laptops)... After 1yr, 10 days.. my SAGER N-4790 died.. The Tec was incompetent, slow, wrong, and RUDE!! I now have a $2500 paperweight. PNB was not much better.. at least they werent' rude.

As for the 'religous nature' of this bunch... well lets just say Judas to that!

I'm gonna get one that rhyms with ''Hell''!! Cheers.

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Sager is the best
Jan 13, 2005 10:52PM PST

If you?re looking for the best performance and quality then Sager is the answer. Try www.SagerNotebooks.com or www.DirectPC.ca (they sell Eurocoms, Sagers with different nametag, for $1000 less then Eurocom itself)

Performance ? nothing comes close. People can say all they want but Dell, HP, Sony, Toshiba and Acer are not as nearly as fast. I have had them all, IBMs, Toshibas, Dells, HPs and now I have Eurocom. It beats them all in terms of performance and also it?s cheaper then slower ?brand names?.

Price - Don?t go for Voodoo, Go-L or Eurocom itself. They all EXACTLY the same as Sager (same part manufacturer, same assembly, even cases are the same) but Voodoo or Go-L, for example, will try to sell the same thing for $1000-$2500 more. Also, even if you wouldn?t get the same performance from ?brand name?, something similar will cost you $100-$400 more and (look at Dell for example) it would be an ugly bulky monster.

Quality ? Sager is exceptional. I would say Toshiba has the best screens on the market, but Sager wouldn?t be any worse than Sony (second place). Case, parts ? everything is done well and last long. If you buy extended warranty you should be OK in case something goes down. I know people complain about lack of spare parts for 3-4 year-old notebooks but as far as I concern, people who buy performance machines like Sager change their notebooks every 2-3 years. People who tend to keep hardware for decades normally go for budget machines like Dell.

Personally, I extremely pleased with mine. I have a high-end machine with dual 60 GB 7200 RPM hard drives, 3.4G CPU, 2Gb of ram and 256 video. I ran several servers on it, graphic software and occasionally latest games. It outperforms 1-2 year-old $20K servers and $10M mainframes. No other machine would provide the same performance nor quality. And no other brand comes even close in price; at the time of the purchase it was $300 cheaper then slower and less equipped Dell XPS and $1000 then MUCH slower fastest Macs (may be it was the best for graphics but not anymore; same 3D task on the fastest Mac, $1000 more expensive than Sager, takes twice as much time than on the Sager)

Choose what you think is the best for you and good luck.

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Don't agree about Sager
Jun 14, 2009 2:24AM PDT

Well Sager is a great manufacturer of custom built laptops, you will end up paying twice as much to get most of the same components that you can get in an HP laptop.

Take for instance the HP HDX 18t and the Sager NP9850, they both are considered top of the line laptops from thier makers and both have mostly the same components, but Sager cost twice as much.

The main differences are the video cards, the stlye of case, the fact that you can have up to three hard drives in the Sager NP9850, that HP gives you more USB ports as well as more ports in general, and HP HDX 18t has a better audio sound system. Other than that they are virtually the same and you pay much more for a Sager.

Now if you find it important to use RAID and really want the better video card and the option of having dual video cards the go with Sager, becuase they use the top of the line video card for laptops that you can get at this moment. Honestly I wish HP would use the nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280M in thier HDX 18t so I would have no reason to even look at a Sager.

To me Hp is better becuase I don't want three hard drives, just two and they are the same capacity choices, I can get the same top of the line Intel Core 2 Extreme Processor QX9300 (2.53GHz) from both manufacturers, I can get same speeds of RAM and 8 gig amount, you can get the same operating systems choices offered, I can get the same 18.4 widescreen with 1900 X 1080 HD resolution, you get the same optical drive chioces, Hp gives you the better of the intergrated web cams, same TV tuner options, etc. So really the biggest difference is the video cards they both offer and option of having dual video cards. I personally can't justify the price increase of Sager over Hp for just having a better video card, especially when 90 percent of the components are the same. Seems like such a rip off.

As for Sager being faster with virtually the same components, I think that is false. I have never noticed a difference in speeds from my friend's Sager to my HP laptop, except when it comes to him having the better video card. If he's not playing a geme and using the capabilities of his better video card, then my Hp laptops excels just as fast at eveything else as his Sager.

So it's up to you, but I would get an HP HDX 18t and get the better warrenty coverage and customer service technical help with my laptop and save lots of money.

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How, or Even Why...
Jun 14, 2009 9:58AM PDT

Would someone resurrect a thread started 4 and a half years ago?

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my bad
Jun 14, 2009 10:07AM PDT

I wasn't paying attention and didn't think about looking at the date when I came across this thread. I just wanted to respond. You are right and it's my bad.

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Not a Problem...
Jun 14, 2009 10:41AM PDT

I was just curious, lol. Doesn't mean your points weren't valid. Happy

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Prostar (M-Tech)
Aug 31, 2005 2:56AM PDT

I CAN'T DISCOURAGE YOU ENOUGH FROM BUYING THIS COMPANY'S MACHINE!!! It looks great on ''paper'', but the reality of this laptop is that it is JUNK! Its is made of the cheapest, cruddiest plastics, the lowest quality parts, my screen is freckled with dead pixels, its broken down three times now (twice in one year), and now the dvd player doesn't play and the floppy disc wont eject...so I have to send it back AGAIN!!! It's spent more time in the shop than on my lap or desktop. THIS IS PURE CRAP! Spend the extra few $$$ and go with a company that has a brand to protect. Not to mention that it is UGLY AS SIN! The few people that HAVE seen it, on the few occassions that I took it out, all commented on how CLUNKY and UGLY it was. With SO MANY great looking, well made, affordable laptops available, you will regret buying a Prostar laptop from the moment yu take it out of the box. I CAN'T DISCOURAGE YOU ENOUGH! DO NOT BUY THEIR PRODUCT! DO NOT BUY THEIR LAPTOP! AVOID AVOID AVOID! NO GOOD, NO GOOD, NO GOOD!

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Don't EVER buy Prostar Computers - they are no good.
Jun 5, 2006 7:13AM PDT

The monitor flickers then goes black frequently, the computer does not come out of standby reliably, and they do not know how to treat their customers. I sent my laptop in for them to fix the above mentioned issues and they sent back my computer physically broken, then take no responsibility for it. Now my cover is falling off.
They have poorly made computers and no customer service.