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Rush Limbaugh, "I entered into an agreement with the

May 1, 2006 9:14AM PDT

District Attorney so that if I keep my nose clean for 18 months I get my record expunged. Bet you all wish you could get a deal like that. Even though I have pled guilty, I'm not guilty. Ignore those 4000 pills I was caught with."

Hypocrite and phony.

Rob

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I know facts are foreign to you, but this is just outrageous
May 1, 2006 9:18AM PDT
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No Evie, he entered into a plea agreement, the charges were
May 1, 2006 11:36AM PDT

scaled back in order to permit him to plead some peculiar form of Not Guilty that resulted in his having to be on probation for 18 months (sounds like guilty to me) and the number of pills he was found to have acquired illegally was 4000. There is evidence collected under a valid search warrant by the police in Florida that says it was 4000.

The facts are from the Abrams Report and every other real news report about the facts of the original indictment, and from the mouths of the two lawyers, one a Defense Attorney, one a former DA from Florida both of whom were astonished by the home town ruling that Limbaugh got. There are people serving 25 years for the same crime. I think its rankest hypocrisy, but I expect it from the Republican Conservatives.

Rob

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That's a lie Rob unless you have access to a source that
May 1, 2006 12:42PM PDT

no one else does.

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You asked for a source on the plea agreement here it is.
May 1, 2006 5:56PM PDT
"An agreement with the state, signed by Limbaugh and filed in court Monday, says the charge will be dismissed in 18 months if Limbaugh adheres to the terms, which include not owning a gun and submitting to random drug testing." Now people who are innocent rarely are sentenced to 18 months of random drug testing and a slew of other conditions

"The Palm Beach resident told his listeners Monday that he doesn't own a gun and he has been submitting to random drug tests since successfully completing an addiction treatment program in 2003.

""I never know when they're going to happen," Limbaugh said of his drug testing. "I have not failed one yet. Folks, I haven't even craved a pain pill since I got out of rehab. I've not even had a dream about one."

"Limbaugh, of Palm Beach, admitted his addiction ? which he attributed to severe back pain ? on-the-air in 2003.

"Other terms of the agreement say Limbaugh must continue substance abuse treatment, refrain from violating the law, pay $30 per month for the cost of supervision, and pay $30,000 reimbursement for the cost of the state's investigation. The Palm Beach Police Department will receive a portion of that money. Mike Edmondson, spokesman for State Attorney Barry Krischer, said he doesn't know what that portion will be.

"Limbaugh voluntarily surrendered Friday at 4 p.m. at the Palm Beach County Jail with his attorney, Roy Black. He was booked, fingerprinted, photographed and released on $3,000 bond." Apparently his lawyer was allowed to accompany him through the entire process which took less than 45 minutes. You try and surrender yourself and get through the paperwork in less than 6 hours.

"Since 2003, the state has been investigating allegations that Limbaugh illegally stocked up on prescription pain pills from multiple doctors, a third-degree felony called "doctor shopping." Throughout the investigation, Limbaugh, 55, has maintained his innocence.

"Investigators seized records from four of Limbaugh's doctors in 2003 and fought to unseal those records through court hearings and a series of appeals. Prosecutors received a portion of those seized files in July 2005.

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/content/news/rush0501.html

Rush Limbaugh makes deal to end 'doctor shopping' probe

RAW STORY
Published: Friday April 28, 2006

After his arrest on Friday, Rush Limbaugh has entered into a settlement agreement with the Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office to end their probe of allegations that the conservative talk show host went "doctor shopping" to obtain prescription pain-killing medicine, RAW STORY has found.

The Palm Beach Post reported that Limbaugh turned himself over to Florida authorities late Friday afternoon after a warrant had been issued.

"The conservative radio commentator came into the jail at about 4 p.m. with his attorney Roy Black and bonded out an hour later on a $3,000 bail," said a spokesman for the State Attorney's office, according to the Palm Beach Post.

According to attorney Roy Black, a single charge of doctor shopping will be filed in court by the state attorney, and as long as Limbaugh "completes an additional 18 months of treatment" by his physician, and pays $30,000 "to the State of Florida to defray the public cost of the investigation," the charge will then be dropped. Don't you wish you could get justice like that. 18 months on the street and then no felony, no arrest, no record. The whole thing makes a joke of the Judicial process. Must be nice to be one of George W.'s "Special Friends".

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Rush_Limbaugh_makes_deal_in_doctor_0428.html

There are a dozen more including the Washington Post, the New York Times, and every reputable news organization not connected to the Republican Party, but you probably think they're all lies too.

You guys should get out more, read something other than the approved text of the Ditto-head minority like NewsMax and Fox and the National Review.

Rob
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Your version is a LIE
May 1, 2006 7:48PM PDT

A plea agreement involves pleading to a lesser charge. He did not.

Now the supposed number of pills is 4000? Where did you dig that lie up?

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Evie you wouldn't be calling it a lie
May 1, 2006 8:56PM PDT

if Bill Clinton was being accused rather than your beloved Rush.

How about this Prosecutors accuse him of "doctor shopping," or illegally deceiving multiple doctors to receive overlapping prescriptions. They learned that he received about 2,000 painkillers, prescribed by four doctors in six months, at a pharmacy near his Palm Beach mansion.

Another interesting little tidbit Before his own problems became public, Limbaugh had decried drug use and abuse and mocked President Clinton for saying he had not inhaled when he tried marijuana. He often made the case that drug crimes deserve punishment.

"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. ... And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," Limbaugh said on his short-lived television show on Oct. 5, 1995.


And Limbaugh reported five years ago that he had lost most of his hearing because of an autoimmune inner-ear disease. He had surgery to have an electronic device placed in his skull to restore his hearing. But research shows that abusing opiate-based painkillers also can cause profound hearing loss.

Diana

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They filed one charge ...
May 1, 2006 8:59PM PDT

... involving FORTY pills.

I sure as heck would call Rob's post a lie about anyone. He made up a quotation that doesn't even square with the facts of the case.

Rush is not beloved to me.

Prosecutors didn't make that accusation FORMALLY when it counted. They accused him of illegally obtaining forty stinkin pills. An accusation is NOT guilt.

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BTW
May 1, 2006 9:05PM PDT

You seem to have a problem with numbers. Rob claimed 4000, your "proof" involved 2000.

Hearing loss? He was suffering the loss before he took all those pain killers, so there is little to support the conjecture that it was pain killer related.

I've addressed the prior statements before. If you can't see the difference between how someone can get addicted to a substance prescribed to them for severe pain vs. recreational use, I can't help you.

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Are you an insider?
May 1, 2006 9:27PM PDT

Where is your proof about how long he's been hooked on these painkillers?

You haven't answered the one question I was most interested in. If this was Clinton, any accusation would be enough. If this is Limbaugh, no proof is good enough.

As to quantity, you're mixing apples and oranges. The accusation was he was found with 4000 pills and got 2000 pills over six months from four different doctors.

Diana

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And here's the search warrant KP.
May 1, 2006 6:14PM PDT
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/rushsearch1.html

"DECEMBER 5--Rush Limbaugh illegally purchased hundreds of prescription pills a month and sought a quartet of doctors to fuel his drug addiction, according to search warrant applications unsealed yesterday in Palm Beach County Circuit Court. Investigators executing the searches, which took place November 25 at offices used by Limbaugh's South Florida physicians, accused the radio personality of "doctor shopping," or improperly seeking out practitioners to supply him with an inordinate abundance of painkillers OxyContin, Lorcet, Norco, Hydrocodone and Kadian, the anti-anxiety drug Xanax, the cholesterol-lowering drug Niacin, and Clonodine, which treats high blood pressure. Under Florida law, doctor shopping is punishable by up to five years in prison. The affidavits, one of which you'll find below, indicate that authorities began investigating the talk-show host last December after meeting with Wilma Cline, Limbaugh's former maid, and her husband, who told them that they sold Limbaugh "large quantities" of pharmaceutical drugs "over the course of many years." (5 pages)"

Guess you didn't bother to look very hard. Everybody has had access to this info since Dec 5, 2005 or longer since he's been fighting this for 2 and a half years. There's nothing like a good lawyer to derail the train of justice. Guess Rush and OJ can go golfing now. But I'll give him this, Rush didn't kill anybody, just subverted the justice process in the United States. I love how willing Conservatives are to own up to their failings and mend their ways. On Monday Limbaugh was bouncing in his seat announcing that he was "Not Guilty" despite the plea agreement, which was not a Not Guilty verdict, but a "Nolle Prosequi Agreement" (No Prosecution Agreement) if certain conditions were met. Its hardly Not Guilty because he's being treated as guilty for at least 18 months. Actually he was offered a plea deal for 3 years probation, this means he'll have been under scrutiny for 4 years which is probably a good thing.

Personally I'm just waiting for the next story about Limbaugh. And you know there will be one, that should shut you guys up.

Rob
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(NT) (NT) NWOR
May 1, 2006 7:50PM PDT
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He's guilty of many more than that, Evie.
May 1, 2006 1:26PM PDT

What's outrageous is that he was charged with only a single count, despite evidence of a continuing pattern of abuse over months. Meanwhile, this poor SOB is languishing in a Florida prison for 25 years for having too many prescription drugs in his possession because of his unrelenting chronic paid after an accident left him paralyzed (talk about adding insult to injury!) THAT discrepancy in treatment between the conservative "tough on crime" darling and the suffering lawyer is what's also outrageous!

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(NT) (NT) HE'S GUILTY OF NOTHING - FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 1, 2006 2:30PM PDT
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Yes, the Constitution is such a major PIA when one is
May 1, 2006 4:16PM PDT

attempting to do God's work of throwing the conservatives in jail. You've got to have proof, and all that other pointless stuff.

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(NT) (NT) If he was they would have taken it to a jury
May 1, 2006 7:51PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Forming opinions on less again, Rob
May 1, 2006 9:34AM PDT
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Just watching the news, and particularly Rush Limbaugh's
May 1, 2006 11:29AM PDT

performance today in announcing that he was Not Guilty (by reason of mental disease or defect?) of the charges he's reached a plea agreement on.

The DA was later seen leaving the building in the shape of a hoop with his head touching his heels he bent over backwards so far.

How nice it must be to live in Republicanland, never having to accept responsibility for the war, the deficit, the Hurricane, the incipient American Gulag, the Pill scandal, God the list is endless.

Rob

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Response
May 1, 2006 12:34PM PDT
How nice it must be to live in Republicanland, never having to accept responsibility for the war, the deficit, the Hurricane, the incipient American Gulag, the Pill scandal, God the list is endless.

The war--> Arab terrosists are responsible

The deficit--> Congress and the President are responsible

The Hurricane--> Um yea, Rob this was an act of GOD... disaster following is the direct responsibility of the local leaders and damnit the choice of those people who live in a floodplain, I have no sympathy.

The incipient American Gulag--> I presume you are refering to Club GITMO, we could have shot them

the Pill scandal--> The only scandal is the one perpetrated on Mr. Limbaugh by the over zealous Barry Krischer, State Attorney with an unprovable case and far left leaning political motivations. the scandal should be the monitary expense wasted in this folly. Um Rob the DA he was bent over not backwards, but (picture this) with his head between his legs up his own rear end this is what you saw.

Any other topics you need correction on please call

Don Erickson
Mr. California Republican
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"the list is endless"
May 1, 2006 1:01PM PDT

That's what happens when the list is fabricated.

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"When reality doesn't suffice
May 1, 2006 10:36AM PDT

make up ridiculous charges" - Daily Democrat Mantra

What, you mean I just can't make up quotes and other facts? Wow, you and the NY Times really led me astray on that.

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Limbaugh's the best guide to made up quotes I know.
May 1, 2006 11:24AM PDT

Every time he gets caught he denies he was quoting anybody, he was just putting words in their mouths for "satirical effect". Try researching the real story somewhere other than the National "Save Rush Limbaugh" Review.

My stuff came from my watching multiple news sources on the issue, and particularly from The Abrams Report on MSNBC, and the clip of Rush's broadcast either yesterday or today that was so self-serving and so full of lies and half truths that the camera only recorded every 4th frame. (Yes, I know it was an internet camera).

Rob

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Rob, you made up a quote....
May 1, 2006 12:19PM PDT

how is that NOT a bald-faced lie? Anything you say after that is comepletely invalid.

Say goodnight.

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Ya made up the quote
May 1, 2006 1:17PM PDT

to try to prove a point. Own up to it and quit trying to excuse yourself.

As for my viewership of the "Save Limbaugh" show, well, that's non-existant. Actually, I dislike Rush, never much enjoyed listening to him and disagree with a lot of what he says.

My stuff did come from real sources such as CNN, FOX, my local networks, the AP (via my local newspaper), and the numerous sources cited in SE. The prosecution had little evidence on Rush, and chances are that if it had gone to trial, Rush probably would have gotten away without any repercussions.

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Rush didn't say your "quote"
May 1, 2006 7:57PM PDT

Unless he was being sarcastic. So you're the person watching MSNBC these days.

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Required reading for your ilk
May 1, 2006 10:43AM PDT
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Laughable, not a word about Doctor Shopping or multiple
May 1, 2006 11:19AM PDT

overlapping prescriptions from multiple doctors for the same complaint, or the sheer volume of pills involved. Its all about poor little Rushie, hounded by the press because of his celebrity and his political beliefs. He's not Thomas Paine, and the government that's pursuing him is the Florida Department of Justice. Like I said at the beginning, I'd like him to suffer the penalty he'd urge on anyone else found guilty of that crime, incarceration for an extended period. As I understand it there's already somebody down there serving 25 years for the same sort of thing. 25 years for Rushie would suit me fine.

Rob

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Actually I was watching the assessment on MSNBC today
May 1, 2006 11:13AM PDT

(Abrams Report?) with a Florida Defence Attorney and a former Prosecutor, and their conclusion was that it was one of the most egregious cases of bending over backwards for the accused they'd ever seen. Additionally they talked about the way that the case was expedited when Limbaugh finally turned himself in along with his lawyer, his lawyer accompanied him through every step of the process, and he was in and out in under 45 minutes. Again, the talking heads were astonished by that level of favoritism.

He is pleading guilty to possession of 40 pills, even though he was in possession of 4000 pills of controlled drugs, or else it was provable that he had obtained 4000 pills, I'm not entirely sure which. The agreement as I said is that if he keeps his nose clean for 18 months he gets his record expunged. According to his characterization this means he is Not Guilty on all charges. Talk about Rush in Limbaugh land. Even the White Queen could only believe 6 impossible things before breakfast (look up the reference).

There's nothing quite like Equality before the Law in America, politics, money, and celebrity have no influence at all.

And I'd be willing to say that anyone who supports the pill popping blow-hard, is guilty of hypocrisy too. If he were a Democrat, particularly a prominent Democratic spokesman, you'd all be screaming for execution, or incarceration for life, and that this behavior is typical of Democrats everywhere. I don't think Limbaugh's drug habit is typical of Republicans everywhere, but I do think that this manipulation of the Justice system is typical of how some Republicans try to avoid responsibility for their own actions.

Rob

Rob

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Read the link
May 1, 2006 11:51AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) What part of NOT guilty do you not understand?
May 1, 2006 8:03PM PDT
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I retract my statement
May 1, 2006 8:42PM PDT

made to you in another message

OK you are correct he plead NOT GUILTY

He did not plead anything, he SAID he was not guilty.

NOT to the prosecutor, but to the press and the public.

He could not enter into the PTI agreement if he had made a NOT GUILTY plea in court.