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Wasn't there something about a message sent
to would-be criminals as they entered London? Wasn't there a "2 strikes and you're out" rule long ago? Wasn't the guillotine considered the most humane way to execute someone and used primarily for royalty? I could wonder if numbness exists until compassion starts to grow in people. We look backward with hatred for such things that we'd never tolerate but were considered acceptable to those in the past. What bothers us didn't bother them. We can read that some Islamic culture has largely been stuck in the past for hundreds of years. Maybe we're witnessing a little of what happened in days of the Crusades.
In fact, London's heads-on-pikes was what I had in mind.
And, as you note, there were others.
Crusades: when the First one captured Jerusalem the Crusaders went to the "victory Mass" with their victims' blood still in their armor.
The czars, I'm told, treated their enemies similarly, although they were often fellow Russians, from coup attempts.
On the other side of the Iraqi thing, and this is noted in the story, the ISIS people killed indiscriminately to make THEIR point.
To consider the purely religious side, when Sunni ISIS bombers touch off a Shi'a mosque (did I get the players right?) then they inevitably destroy a Qur'an or two. Isn't that heresy, a capital offense?
Say, how's the world going, anyway?
"Facts" and myths about the crusades
are all over the map. We all get to choose which sources we accept and any make their choice before even making that decision. Who want's to be challenged when they've already formed an opinion. But here's what I understand about the culture of war and rules of engagement in "olden" times. I've read that a king or leader, when under attack, could choose to either surrender to slavery of his own people or to have them slaughtered. A king or leader who chose to fight could witness the indiscriminate massacre of the entire citizenship including his own family before he, himself, was put to death. Doesn't that send a message of some kind? I've also read that Christians had already suffered more than 400 years...that's several generations...of attacks by Muslim peoples who believed the sword to be an acceptable conversion method. I wasn't there so I don't know. I've also read that it was only when rulers of European "petty" kingdoms recognized the real threat to them, that they agreed to Pope Urban's call to assist in an effort to reclaim the Holy Land. Didn't we once hear of "creeping Communism" and a call to unite against it?...a crusade of sorts?
You ask how the world is going. I detect cycles and cycles of many types. There are already murmurings that another "crusade" should be undertaken but you'll notice who's not willing to take the lead this time.
Cycles and cycles
Yep...no one knows the day and hour
yet there have been those who insist they can nail it down. But, eventually, they run out of nails and have to give it up.
Each time, badness has abounded. Each
time Jehovah notices, purposes to end it by destroying the wicked, furnishes a refuge for those who obey him, sends an emissary to inform people of all the above. Then he lowers the boom.
The Flood, Jericho, captivity in Babylon, destruction of Herod's Temple, today. Mt 25:39. Oh, I already gave you that one. I'm sure you took note of it.
Thomas Asbridge, 2004, The First Crusade, Oxford.
Agrees with you that there was no simple cause.
A quote from the first chapter.
"Between 1000 and 1300 CE Catholic Europe and Islam went from being occasional combatants to avowed and entrenched opponents"
He establishes that Christians in Iberia and Palestine had freedom of worship, aside from occasional local problems. Even Christian pilgrims could enter and leave the Holy Land.
BTW ISIS defines its enemy as the "Crusader Coalition".
What I've enjoyed reading in the many accounts
of the crusades is the detail in which some of the specific events were chronicled. Someone here has already noted that Christians committed rape during the crusades. Just how could that be determined? Certainly there are reports of soldiers committing all kinds of mischief as well as unthinkable deeds in even the recent wars but, without war correspondents, DNA analysis, etc. , too much is pure speculation. We do have evidence of many atrocities that were a part of many cultures. Perhaps "an eye for an eye" was considered to be meant literally. As well, we have the code of Hammurabi upon which many of our own laws take example. The idea behind this code is to not just say what is illegal but to spell out the punishment. I could wonder just how far spread were those same principles and how long did they last. We read that the code was based predicated upon ensuring that the wealthy and powerful would be treated by law in the same manner as the poor and weak. There were some very nasty punishments written into that code...nasty by today's standards, that is.
Almost forgot my un-favorite.
Mass rape is now a weapon of war. In this case it's the Muslims who usually are on the receiving end, because of their particular sense of "honor". It's a great demoralizer.
AND vetted reports of male rape as torture and
demoralizer in Syrian prisons. Qur'an as strongly against sodomy as the Bible. When ya can't trust a prison guard ...
I guess it has to end sometime ...
If you drop the soap, don't bend down to pick it up.
Post was last edited on February 7, 2017 1:59 PM PST
its always been a weapon
the christians did it during the crusades.
first I heard of it
Tales behind the schoolhouse?
New to me. I would be interested in a cite.
Have Thomas Asbridge's The First Crusade right here. Don't recall any reference in my reading of it.
It is possible; many religious groups forget their rules and principles in times of war.