RULES, for the civilian population

Dear Civilians,

We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation has
many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those
of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of
the areas requiring your assistance:

1. The next time you see an adult talking (or wearing a hat) during the
playing of the National Anthem ... kick their ***.

2. When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in
protest ... kick their ***.

3. Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest
amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise,
quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very
freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices
these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while
a Disabled Veteran kicks their ***.

4. (GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were.
Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be
"Special Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay
if you were still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your *** kicked.

5. Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do you
fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ***
kicking (children are exempt).

6. If you witness someone calling the U.S. Coast Guard non military, inform them
of their mistake ... and kick their ***.

7. Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper ... it was a
disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your *** will be kicked.

8. Next time Old Glory (U.S. flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn
feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank
the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her ... of course, failure
to do either of those could earn you a severe *** kicking.

9. What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The
proper word to describe her is "traitor," Just mention her nomination for "Woman
of the Year" and get your *** kicked.

10. Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are
Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party affiliation. Our
Chain of Command is to include our Commander in Chief. The President
(for those who didn't know) is our CINC regardless of political party. We have
no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all
those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives
screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. The military
member might direct you to Oliver North. (I can see him kicking your *** already.)

11. "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying it!
If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore, could kick your ***!

12. Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's go kill
those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls are not standard
issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone calling those damn
psychic phone numbers, let me know, so I can go kick their ***.

13. Flyboy (Air Force), Jar Head (Marines), Grunt (Army), Squid (Navy) etc., are
terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service
member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. That could get your *** kicked.

14. Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military,
support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that
you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands
of sailors and troops far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank
God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country
would get it's *** kicked.

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Re: which 'People's Republic' -- OFFENSIVE MESSAGE!

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 26, 2004 11:54PM PDT

Hi, Roger.

I find Newt's manual offensive too -- it represents the worst in American politics. It, and the labelling of compromise as evil, are IMCO responsible for the highly divided country we have today, certainly the worst since the VietNam era. The tactic is essentially the political equivalent of reductio ad absurdem, and it adds nothing to discourse. Unfortunately, it's all too often effective.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Misread

by Roger NC Apr 27, 2004 3:19PM PDT

my statement

But your fixation on the demonizing of a "Newt manual" is just as offensive as anything you're complaining about.

your reply

I find Newt's manual offensive too

Some of the other points are debatable. But you misread to see what you wanted to see. I was pointing out that your labelling so much as "straight out of Newt's manual" as if that unchallengable condemnation proves the subject as undenible evil is as offensive as anything you may be using the label to complain about.

It doesn't mean that your points are all wrong, it's just a turn off, a don't bother to read further this is a rant, marker.

And I suspect an exaggeration getting larger by the day of another raucious campaign.

Sigh, ever since the problems of the 2000 election, everyone is more concerned with throwing rotten fruit than anything else. Different people different tactics, pResident, commander-in-thief, Newt's manual, what's the difference in the intent?

Not saying it's all one sided, it's not. But after hearing since the election in 1999 actually that the election was stolen and the holder of the office of president was selected not elected, and all the rest....... it's getting hard to look past the shrillness to see if there are points to consider.

RogerNC

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B.S. Dave

by Evie Apr 25, 2004 9:57PM PDT

Darrin used Amerika spelled with the K, thus Ed's comment was an appropriate retort. How about you open your eyes and remove the initial offending post. I realize it only demeans and insults rednecks, NASCAR fans and right wing "nuts" but, hey, it wasn't as veiled as the recent attack on the camo hood wearing gathering. Even you should see it.

Evie

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Re: B.S. Dave

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 25, 2004 11:41PM PDT

Hi, Evie.

I wish there were fewer divisive posts on the forum as well. But the TOS are about behavior towards FORUM MEMBERS, unless a post crosses the line into being patently offensive. If we removed every post that *someone* found offensive, there'd be nothing lesft, and we'd have no time for our day jobs. The difference is that Ed's post is a personal attack on a forum member; while certainly in poor taste, the original post to which he replied was not.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
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I am a NASCAR fan ...

by Evie Apr 26, 2004 12:01AM PDT

... and right of center, so take PERSONAL offense to the post and the Amerika reference. You are trying to draw a very fine line and attacking those who are merely respond in kind to the thinly disguised attacks. Ed asked a question, BTW, that was neither a personal attack or offensive except to your own personal sensitivities. Either the original post is also offensive or you are blowing hot air.

Evie

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Re:I am a NASCAR fan ...

by Darrin Cantor Apr 26, 2004 3:37AM PDT

BTW, that was neither a personal attack or offensive except to your own personal sensitivities.

i took personal offense to his question which was to me and was meant to be offensive unlike my general term of Amerika which did NOT single out any member here

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that is pure and utter BS

by Edward ODaniel Apr 26, 2004 7:29AM PDT

"i took personal offense to his question which was to me and was meant to be offensive unlike my general term of Amerika which did NOT single out any member here"

Mine was a QUESTION directed at you because of your purposely OFFENSIVE spelling of my country's name and your remark singled out EVERY person here who respects and/or has fought for this country.

When you launch an offensive expect counter fire.

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Re:that is pure and utter BS

by Darrin Cantor Apr 26, 2004 1:45PM PDT

When you launch an offensive expect counter fire.

tell that to Del and anyone who wants to kick *** of those who don't kiss *** of this administration

his "joke" was offensive

you have seen your counter fire

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Counterfire?

by Edward ODaniel Apr 26, 2004 11:33PM PDT

No, we have seen you jump into a clear puddle, WALLOW AROUND and come up as expected -- dirty.

Your post is what was OFFENSIVE and insulting to entire groups of people.

Walk into a bar/lounge/restraunt around any military installation while it contains service members and make the same statement (and be sure to state that you are spelling America with a K) and do not be surprised at the results.

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Re:Counterfire?

by Dan McC Apr 26, 2004 11:36PM PDT

Are our military so criminally inclined and undisciplined?

I had hoped they were better than the common rabble you portray them as being.

Dan

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Care to specify...

by J. Vega Apr 27, 2004 12:19AM PDT

Care to specify exactly who you are calling "common rabble"?

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Re:Care to specify...

by Dan McC Apr 27, 2004 12:40AM PDT

I'm not calling anyone common rabble.

Ed is sure describing mob behaviour. There can be no doubt of that.

Dan

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Re:Re:Counterfire?

by Edward ODaniel Apr 27, 2004 11:15AM PDT

They are patriots and when out of uniform can respond appropriately to those denigrating their nation.

You have a right to saw what you want and we have a right to express our opinions of what you say and how you say it.

The rabble are those like yourself who think the First Amendment gives them some right to belittle what means much to others with impunity--it doesn't.

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Oh and BTW,

by Evie Apr 26, 2004 12:45AM PDT

Which FORUM MEMBERS were specifically attacked by Clay's recent Immigrant Poem you pulled post haste? It was a JOKE, IAC, and this sure wasn't even intended to be. If we are going to limit jokes that might offend someone, then I re-instate my request that BJM be abolished as it is demeaning not only to a fairly large portion of the population, but myself personally. I am, of course, being facetious here, but can you stretch the imagination to get my point here?

I agree with your pulling of this xerpor's post, presumably for using the term "raghead", but how is that any more specifically offensive to a FORUM MEMBER than right-wing nut, or redneck as a term used by someone who obviously is not using it as a term of endearment? A little consistency would be nice.

unless a post crosses the line into being patently offensive

Darrin's post can be seen no other way.

Evie

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Re: Oh and BTW,

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 26, 2004 11:47PM PDT

Hi, Evie.

The TOS also refer to inappropriate language or contents. That covers the "n-word," and now, I guess, the "r-word" as well. As for NASCAR, there's been a lot of discussion in the media about "NASCAR dads" replacing "Soccer moms" as the key demographic this year, so that enters into the context.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re:Re: B.S. Dave

by Roger NC Apr 26, 2004 3:42AM PDT

a personal attack on a forum member; while certainly in poor taste, the original post to which he replied was not.

You're right, it wasn't an attack on a forum member, it was an attack on an entire group. It was the same type of attack on the 'right' as those attacks on the 'left' we get complaints about. Both are wrong.

But the AmeriKa is a deliberate reference to the old stereotypical casts of communism or fascism.

I'll grant the original post is strong, and some items unrealistic, but in this case someone is casting aspersions of lack of patroitism on rednecks, NASCAR bloats and right wing nuts .

AND insulting the President commander in thief's .

While irritating, most falls (unfortunately) within the normal bounds of politics, here and elsewhere. But the AmeriKa use clearly invites Ed's comment about which Peoples Republic.

Neither is very attractive perhaps, but one is no more or no less right/wrong than the other. And in this case, Ed's comment was a specific rejoiner to a specific insult and limited to that implication.

As someone else mentioned somewhere, the first jibe opened the door to the second, as a lawyer can cross examine on anything the witness testifies.

RogerNC

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Personal attack? Where?

by Edward ODaniel Apr 26, 2004 7:17AM PDT

My post was a request for information to someone who purposely spelled America with a K in what I take seriously as a person who dislikes and disrespects my country.

We all already are aware of your actual location on the Patriot Scale so don't you dare claim that a response to an "attack" on my country is simply a "personal attack".

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Add me to the chorus, Dave. BS!

by Bo Boggs Apr 26, 2004 1:33AM PDT

The language and the intent were way over the top. It was not a post that had any redeeming qualities to it (other than in your eyes it was disrespectful of everything American).

Bo

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OFFENSIVE MESSAGE! Yes Dave, YOURS is just that!

by Edward ODaniel Apr 26, 2004 7:24AM PDT

And your brand of "patriotism" should be left at the door.

Disrespect for flag or country that I have bled for is offensive but by your post you seem to agree with it.

I am not implying a damn thing Dave. My statement was clear and a response to his disrespect. I realize you do not understand this (apparently because of your sheltered academic life) but some of us take these things seriously and it is not yours to say otherwise.

Your post Dave was nothing more than a personal attack.

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by Glenda Apr 25, 2004 5:15AM PDT

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Now cut that out, Glenda...

by J. Vega Apr 25, 2004 6:18AM PDT

Now cut that out, Glenda, when the game is a brisk round of veteran bashing, you're not supposed to notice the bogus names. (grin)

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the only veteran bashing here

by moosteve Apr 25, 2004 6:35AM PDT

is in the implications and inuendo you people are tossing around. Never once have I said anything against any armed forces personnel.

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I agree

by Richard Jones Forum moderator Apr 25, 2004 6:46AM PDT

I took your post to be against the "my country, right or wrong" mindset that the "rules" post exemplifies.

I personally think that fervent nationalism is a major reason why peace and unity seem so hard to achieve. We define ourselves too much by our differences rather than our likenesses.

Rick

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you are correct

by moosteve Apr 25, 2004 7:11AM PDT

in your interpretation of my post, and you succinctly stated my feelings about nationalism.

My mistake was saying I would take down my flag. I understand why this might be inflammatory, that I might be ashamed of my country. However, that is not the case.

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Re:Now cut that out, Glenda... LOL

by Glenda Apr 25, 2004 9:14AM PDT

I know I had a nice note from one of the mods explaining that very clearly to me! hehehe
It was just so tempting
Glenda

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too bad

by moosteve Apr 25, 2004 9:43AM PDT

I would really enjoy to read the sharp witticism Glenda had to contribute. I find it funny the people here are of such open and non-judgemental dispositions that they must resort to 4th grade tatics of making fun of names.

petty.

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Not trying to Moo you Steve.....

by John Robie Apr 24, 2004 9:35AM PDT

but yes we have gotten a wake up call since 9-11. It reminded me of Pearl Harbor as I well remember that activity being 9 years old when it happened. As Pres Roosevelt said it was a day of .......

Our current Pres didn't take 9-11 lightly and just like Roosevelt declared war. War puts our service people in peril . Sons and daughter get sent to hostile places, and most people think of the flag and what our past sons/daughters did for our country.

I put my flag out in front of my residence only for those days deserving tribute to our leaders, nation and military personnel. I'm not like some who leave the flag out every night and during all kind of weather.

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Re:Not trying to Moo you Steve.....

by Edward ODaniel Apr 24, 2004 11:57PM PDT

"I put my flag out in front of my residence only for those days deserving tribute to our leaders, nation and military personnel. I'm not like some who leave the flag out every night and during all kind of weather."

I display mine as you do John.

My neighbor however chooses to display his 24/7 BUT he does so properly with full illumination during hours of darkness. He also changes it whenever it becomes frayed or faded and properly disposes of the retired ones every June 14th at the American Legion.

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Thank you john

by moosteve Apr 25, 2004 1:55AM PDT

for a thoughtful and non-attacking answer. I must reiterate I have no problem with troops, serving for our country, or even my country. It is the fact the flag has become something to wear, decorate Christmas trees with, and the attitude of the people here at home who do those things and post that kind of humor.I understand patriotism can be a good thing, but I just feel there is an element of it that has been way over the top lately.

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Re:i am so glad. Oh Yeah

by Rolway Apr 24, 2004 9:53AM PDT

"Gee, I hope I don't get my *** kicked for writing this".......THE LINE FORMS BEHIND ME

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