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Rosie tied the knot ...

Feb 27, 2004 3:23AM PST

... the heterosexual male population can breathe a sigh of relief Happy

Joke!

Evie Happy

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Well said. (NT)
Mar 2, 2004 1:33PM PST

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The other one was
Feb 27, 2004 4:25AM PST

quite nice looking. What a waste. Sad

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Re:(NT) Yeah, Real Shame
Feb 27, 2004 6:19AM PST

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SIGH!! Really!
Feb 27, 2004 5:45AM PST

Will she now quietly fade away?

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Who the hell is Rosie? No don't answer that - I prefer not to know :((
Feb 27, 2004 1:38PM PST

nt

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Haven't you heard of "Rosie the Riveter?"
Feb 27, 2004 3:11PM PST
Wink
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Nope - never heard of Rosie the riviter - but it sounds painful enough to me!!! NT
Feb 27, 2004 4:26PM PST

nt

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Just Joking. She was a WWII character created for the war effort,
Feb 27, 2004 10:58PM PST

You can run a search on google, probably also in the image section and get some info on that campaign. Rosie the Riveter was the fictional character to represent all the American women that took over factory jobs while the men were away in the war. Many planes that helped win the war over in Europe were built almost entirely by these women, as was other war materiel.

http://www.rosietheriveter.org/

Real "Rosies" at work.
http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~ww2oh/rosie.jpg

Official and popular image of Rosie.
http://www.rosietheriveter.us/images/rosie_250.jpg


Norman Rockwell's image of Rosie.
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/painting.htm
http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/WWII_Women/Rosie.html

A good story by one "Rosie".
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/news.htm

The Song
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/rosiemusic.htm

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Thanks for all those links and I read the
Feb 28, 2004 12:46PM PST

part about the ship being built especially to commemorate a terrible loss of life from Iowa

S.S. Red Oak Victory: Built at Kaiser Shipyard #1, this 455-foot long ship carried munitions and cargo during WWII. Named after the Iowa town that lost the highest percentage of its sons on the battlefront

I gather the town was called Red Oak in Iowa. I bet it was hard going for the widows when they had a fairly large family to support. Well hopefully everybody got together to support one another.

The british women here had to do factory jobs and even drive the tractors on the farms because of the same reason, all the men were in uniform fighting Hitler. I am afraid there were a lot of tears here from news of lost husbands too.

I don't think anyone here wanted the war, but hitler gave us no choice, and pacifism certainly wasn't on the dinner plate.

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Re:Who the hell is Rosie? No don't answer that - I prefer not to know :((
Feb 27, 2004 9:42PM PST

Hi Steve,

Rosie is Rosie O'Donnell. A used-to-be-somewhat-funny comediene who became very popular several years ago with a successful daytime talk show. Since leaving the show she has come out of the closet and already ceremonially married her long time sig. other. In response to what she called Bush's vile comments, she has been motivated to join the crowd of those getting married "officially" in San Fransisco -- MOF by the mayor himself.

Evie Happy

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To some people Evie I guess this sort of thing would seem repulsive but
Feb 27, 2004 10:35PM PST

let's face it, these people were acting that way before all this marriage thing came about, and will no doubt continue. The hard thing for people who do not like it is that it's in their face now.
People like that comedian don't seem to care that what they are doing will hurt straight people's feelings. I don't think there is any excuse for such heartless behaviour. I would have thought it would be great just to be legally married, without pushing our faces in the dirt.
Steve Happy

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Re: To some people Evie I guess this sort of thing would seem repulsive but
Feb 28, 2004 1:11PM PST

Hi, Steve.

Why does it offend you that two gay people who have a long-time committment to each other can also find happiness? Do you read Sci-fi? If so, try reading the Hugo award-winning novel "The Forever War," by Joe Haldeman. A wonderful book that might help you see things from a fresh perspective.

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I wasn't speaking personally Dave - Just seeing things from a christian perspective, which you may not be able to :( NT
Feb 28, 2004 10:41PM PST

NT

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Re: I wasn't speaking personally Dave - Just seeing things from a christian perspective, which you may not be able to :( NT
Feb 29, 2004 10:25PM PST

Steve, that's about as personal (and low) as you can go. Please show me where in the Gospels Christ spoke out against homosexuality. Short answer is he never did -- all the attacks on homosexuality come from paul, who though Christian never met Christ and was primarily formed from the Judaic tradition, with a belief in Christ as God layered over top. Christ's message was all about love, not hate -- but despite the rhetoric about "love the sinner but hate the sin," the "Christian" efforts to continue a tradition of legal discrimination are simply hateful. And, for the record, I am deeply Christian -- but based on what Christ taught.

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Holier Than Thou...
Mar 1, 2004 4:43AM PST
Steve, that's about as personal (and low) as you can go. Please show me where in the Gospels Christ spoke out against homosexuality. - Dave Konkel

I managed to see "The Passion" last night. All through the movie, all I could think is how different the prevalent Christian message from today is from what Christ was teaching during his lifetime. It seems that Christians are no longer teaching Christ's views, but their own. There is nothing Holy about the way we treat our fellow man. I highly doubt that we as a nation are on God's side in most of what we do. AFAICS, there is nothing Holy about war. There is nothing Holy about discrimination, hate, or intolerance. There is nothing Holy about the way many Christians think or act. It's sad that so many seem to believe that they are Holier Than Thou and anyone who doesn't think or act as they do are doomed to burn in Hell...

Some here seem to think that they have the right and power to judge you Dave. Luckily, God is the only one who can judge us for our actions and thoughts. Those who claim to be Holier Than Thou may be surprised and shocked when it is their turn to be judged...
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A lot of what you say is true Blake. The issue is Jesus Christ, and your
Mar 2, 2004 1:24AM PST

relationship with Him. If that relationship is right, it doesn't matter what anyone says. You always have to look at that 'If' though. Are you following and obeying Him? Christians are sinners just like you, so it is easy criticize them. However, that does not invalidate the message.

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Holier Than Thou...
Mar 1, 2004 5:45AM PST
Steve, that's about as personal (and low) as you can go. Please show me where in the Gospels Christ spoke out against homosexuality. - Dave Konkel

I managed to see "The Passion" last night. All through the movie, all I could think is how different the prevalent Christian message from today is from what Christ was teaching during his lifetime. It seems that Christians are no longer teaching Christ's views, but their own. There is nothing Holy about the way we treat our fellow man. I highly doubt that we as a nation are on God's side in most of what we do. AFAICS, there is nothing Holy about war. There is nothing Holy about discrimination, hate, or intolerance. There is nothing Holy about the way many Christians think or act. It's sad that so many seem to believe that they are Holier Than Thou and anyone who doesn't think or act as they do are doomed to burn in Hell...

Some here seem to think that they have the right and power to judge you Dave. Luckily, God is the only one who can judge us for our actions and thoughts. Those who claim to be Holier Than Thou may be surprised and shocked when it is their turn to be judged...
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P.S. Christians are told to correct one another if they see error or sin
Mar 2, 2004 1:29AM PST

in another Christian's life. The Bible does not, however, call for such a public airing of that kind of conversation.

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You are calling both Jesus and Paul liars.
Mar 2, 2004 1:16AM PST

First, Paul is described as 'meeting' Jesus on the road to Damascus. He subsequently spent several years alone where he said he got his information from Jesus. He also claimed to speak with the authority of Jesus. Remember the passages where he says 'this is not from me, but the Lord'. Further, the other disciples accepted Paul's apostolic authority. In other words, his teaching was accepted as coming from Jesus. If you don't accept Paul's authority, then your own claim to be a Christian is put in doubt in the historic sense of what the word means. I'ld be most interested to see how you get 'Judaic tradition' out of Paul's teaching. Do you find things like grace vs law, salvation by faith vs works, acceptance of Gentile Christians, etc. coming out of 'Judaic tradition'? Your theology gets more mysterious by the day.

Second, Jesus put His authority squarely behind scripture both Old and New. He said not one dot of the Old Testament would go away. With that, He put His authority squarely behind the teaching that homosexual practice is sin.

Third, Christ's message was not directed at love, but at repentance and salvation. He said He came to seek and to save the lost. Yes, love is what motivated His mission, but it was not the primary mission. He came to show us God (who is Love among other things), to teach us, to proclaim the Good News, and to die for us. His command to love comes after repentance and salvation.

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Re:To some people Evie I guess this sort of thing would seem repulsive but
Feb 28, 2004 10:08PM PST

Hi Steve,

You are probably not privy to all of Rosie's antics. Most of it can be summed up in a title of Queen of Hypocrisy. What I really want to know is how she managed to adopt 4 healthy white infants when there are so many infertile heterosexual couples longing to do so. As I mentioned to Josh, in a perfect world I suppose children should not be effected by discovering one or the other of their parents are gay, but it's not a perfect world. Left to their own devices, there would be no discussion of gay couples having children, it's a biological impossibility. My friend with kids who apparently discovered she is a lesbian did not have to shove this in her boys' faces at every chance, including having her "wife" move in. Would that mean not indulging herself fully? Yes, and that is my point because I think until they are grown, her kids should trump her selfish desires. She could still have a lesbian relationship that was discrete. I'm actually amazed when I add them up how many gay friends and acquaintances I have. But I know a lot of people and it's still a small percent. There are some in long term relationships whose sig others I think of as just that, maybe "family", but it's just different and no amount of redefining marriage and family will ever change that.

Evie Happy

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addendum
Feb 28, 2004 11:08PM PST

I know someone will bring up that many heterosexual parents do things that harm their kids too. Granted. But that is no excuse.

Evie Happy

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I totally agree Evie - keep things discreet until the kids are a bit older and
Feb 29, 2004 3:02AM PST

they can then perhaps understand why their parent/s are feeling the way they do.
My argument is that they are not behaving dicreetly, and are causing distress to all sorts of people, especially their children.
Steve

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Rosie is wealthy now, maybe the children were "for sale"? (nt)
Feb 29, 2004 11:11PM PST

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How do you mean that?
Feb 29, 2004 11:02PM PST

How is two people entering into a committed relationship 'pushing your face in the dirt'?

Dan

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Can she and her spouse now file "Married Filing Jointly"?
Feb 28, 2004 10:44PM PST

It's tax season and I wonder how many of the just married out there will file this way. If they do I wonder what the implications are if their marriage is later ruled invalid. Me thinks there will be plenty of other legal tests to pop out of this as well.

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I think they'll have to wait ...
Feb 28, 2004 10:55PM PST

... because they would have to been married in 2003 to file as married in that year. Presumably this will have been sorted out in the courts by the time 2004 filing time comes around.

Evie Happy

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Re:Can she and her spouse now file
Feb 29, 2004 12:28AM PST

My wife and I have been together for over 51 years. When asked if I am married, I do not want the next question to be, "Are you married to a man or a woman"

George

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Re:Re:Can she and her spouse now file
Feb 29, 2004 3:22AM PST

That might be the questioners hangup it does not need to be yours unless you want it to be.

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When they ask if you are married...
Feb 29, 2004 11:20PM PST

smile and say "Yes, in Holy Matrimony!"

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My question is who's the 'husband'?
Feb 29, 2004 6:46AM PST

Rosie referred to her partner, who looked more Butch, as 'my wife', but Rosie was carrying the flowers.