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You can run a search on google, probably also in the image section and get some info on that campaign. Rosie the Riveter was the fictional character to represent all the American women that took over factory jobs while the men were away in the war. Many planes that helped win the war over in Europe were built almost entirely by these women, as was other war materiel.
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/
Real "Rosies" at work.
http://www.ucc.uconn.edu/~ww2oh/rosie.jpg
Official and popular image of Rosie.
http://www.rosietheriveter.us/images/rosie_250.jpg
Norman Rockwell's image of Rosie.
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/painting.htm
http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/WWII_Women/Rosie.html
A good story by one "Rosie".
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/news.htm
The Song
http://www.rosietheriveter.org/rosiemusic.htm
part about the ship being built especially to commemorate a terrible loss of life from Iowa
S.S. Red Oak Victory: Built at Kaiser Shipyard #1, this 455-foot long ship carried munitions and cargo during WWII. Named after the Iowa town that lost the highest percentage of its sons on the battlefront
I gather the town was called Red Oak in Iowa. I bet it was hard going for the widows when they had a fairly large family to support. Well hopefully everybody got together to support one another.
The british women here had to do factory jobs and even drive the tractors on the farms because of the same reason, all the men were in uniform fighting Hitler. I am afraid there were a lot of tears here from news of lost husbands too.
I don't think anyone here wanted the war, but hitler gave us no choice, and pacifism certainly wasn't on the dinner plate.
Hi Steve,
Rosie is Rosie O'Donnell. A used-to-be-somewhat-funny comediene who became very popular several years ago with a successful daytime talk show. Since leaving the show she has come out of the closet and already ceremonially married her long time sig. other. In response to what she called Bush's vile comments, she has been motivated to join the crowd of those getting married "officially" in San Fransisco -- MOF by the mayor himself.
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let's face it, these people were acting that way before all this marriage thing came about, and will no doubt continue. The hard thing for people who do not like it is that it's in their face now.
People like that comedian don't seem to care that what they are doing will hurt straight people's feelings. I don't think there is any excuse for such heartless behaviour. I would have thought it would be great just to be legally married, without pushing our faces in the dirt.
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Hi, Steve.
Why does it offend you that two gay people who have a long-time committment to each other can also find happiness? Do you read Sci-fi? If so, try reading the Hugo award-winning novel "The Forever War," by Joe Haldeman. A wonderful book that might help you see things from a fresh perspective.
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Steve, that's about as personal (and low) as you can go. Please show me where in the Gospels Christ spoke out against homosexuality. Short answer is he never did -- all the attacks on homosexuality come from paul, who though Christian never met Christ and was primarily formed from the Judaic tradition, with a belief in Christ as God layered over top. Christ's message was all about love, not hate -- but despite the rhetoric about "love the sinner but hate the sin," the "Christian" efforts to continue a tradition of legal discrimination are simply hateful. And, for the record, I am deeply Christian -- but based on what Christ taught.
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relationship with Him. If that relationship is right, it doesn't matter what anyone says. You always have to look at that 'If' though. Are you following and obeying Him? Christians are sinners just like you, so it is easy criticize them. However, that does not invalidate the message.
in another Christian's life. The Bible does not, however, call for such a public airing of that kind of conversation.
First, Paul is described as 'meeting' Jesus on the road to Damascus. He subsequently spent several years alone where he said he got his information from Jesus. He also claimed to speak with the authority of Jesus. Remember the passages where he says 'this is not from me, but the Lord'. Further, the other disciples accepted Paul's apostolic authority. In other words, his teaching was accepted as coming from Jesus. If you don't accept Paul's authority, then your own claim to be a Christian is put in doubt in the historic sense of what the word means. I'ld be most interested to see how you get 'Judaic tradition' out of Paul's teaching. Do you find things like grace vs law, salvation by faith vs works, acceptance of Gentile Christians, etc. coming out of 'Judaic tradition'? Your theology gets more mysterious by the day.
Second, Jesus put His authority squarely behind scripture both Old and New. He said not one dot of the Old Testament would go away. With that, He put His authority squarely behind the teaching that homosexual practice is sin.
Third, Christ's message was not directed at love, but at repentance and salvation. He said He came to seek and to save the lost. Yes, love is what motivated His mission, but it was not the primary mission. He came to show us God (who is Love among other things), to teach us, to proclaim the Good News, and to die for us. His command to love comes after repentance and salvation.
Hi Steve,
You are probably not privy to all of Rosie's antics. Most of it can be summed up in a title of Queen of Hypocrisy. What I really want to know is how she managed to adopt 4 healthy white infants when there are so many infertile heterosexual couples longing to do so. As I mentioned to Josh, in a perfect world I suppose children should not be effected by discovering one or the other of their parents are gay, but it's not a perfect world. Left to their own devices, there would be no discussion of gay couples having children, it's a biological impossibility. My friend with kids who apparently discovered she is a lesbian did not have to shove this in her boys' faces at every chance, including having her "wife" move in. Would that mean not indulging herself fully? Yes, and that is my point because I think until they are grown, her kids should trump her selfish desires. She could still have a lesbian relationship that was discrete. I'm actually amazed when I add them up how many gay friends and acquaintances I have. But I know a lot of people and it's still a small percent. There are some in long term relationships whose sig others I think of as just that, maybe "family", but it's just different and no amount of redefining marriage and family will ever change that.
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I know someone will bring up that many heterosexual parents do things that harm their kids too. Granted. But that is no excuse.
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they can then perhaps understand why their parent/s are feeling the way they do.
My argument is that they are not behaving dicreetly, and are causing distress to all sorts of people, especially their children.
Steve
How is two people entering into a committed relationship 'pushing your face in the dirt'?
Dan
It's tax season and I wonder how many of the just married out there will file this way. If they do I wonder what the implications are if their marriage is later ruled invalid. Me thinks there will be plenty of other legal tests to pop out of this as well.
... because they would have to been married in 2003 to file as married in that year. Presumably this will have been sorted out in the courts by the time 2004 filing time comes around.
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My wife and I have been together for over 51 years. When asked if I am married, I do not want the next question to be, "Are you married to a man or a woman"
George
That might be the questioners hangup it does not need to be yours unless you want it to be.