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Robbie has achieved Honours status for the second

by Ziks511 / April 2, 2006 2:38 PM PDT

semester in his whole highschool career. Oddly enough it was for the same Fall semester as he did last year, but this time with a whole new set of subjects (He's done Grade 12 twice as he promised he'd do when he entered Grade 9, his preference, last years average at years end was 72% which was not a thrill to any of us.). Overall average 84% which is tolerable (I try to be a strict parent, but it's all posturing, and I'm afraid he knows it. Nevertheless, if I can't instill over-drive, maybe I can instill a survival instinct instead).

He's also received early admission to York University which is a reasonably good university, but we're holding out, of course, for the University of Toronto which is notoriously late in granting its admissions. Assuming his average stays the same by the end of the year and he adds in his good marks from last year (100% in Gr.12 Latin for instance) he'll be a shoo-in (or is it shoe-in) for U of T.

My son, the wannabe Sociologist. Didn't anybody tell him that the 60's are over, though you couldn't tell from his wardrobe, jeans, T shirts, US dress army jacket, and (my contribution) a Che Guevara T-shirt, black on red material with a little gold star on Che's beret. I may try getting him a couple of Tie-dyed T's as well to really drive the point home. As soon as he adopts Greb Kodiaks as his footwear, we're going to have to have a long talk.

He just came up with another band that made me so proud of his musical taste my eyes brimmed over. Flogging Molly, Irish celtic punk. Just my sort of thing.


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well done to Robbie!
by jonah jones / April 2, 2006 3:46 PM PDT
now listen here Son....about your taste in music.....


jonah ''my son still listens to that Buddy Holly tape i made him 20 years ago'' jones

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Yeah, I made my son a Good Morning Vietnam tape using
by Ziks511 / April 2, 2006 6:25 PM PDT
In reply to: well done to Robbie!

the announcements from the soundtrack on the video tape and mostly different 60's songs. It was a fixture in the car especially on the long drive down to my parents place in Md. It was actually played so much that it went through several versions with different songs because of deterioration. He doesn't listen to that anymore but I do.

I'm really quite pleased by his guitar playing too. I was a straight folkie. Davy Graham and John Renbourn and Bert Jansch and Martin Carthy as well as Americans too. While he played my Takamine D45 knock-off, once he got his electric in October he hasn't looked back. He's got a surprisingly subtle and sophisticated touch for a guy who's still at the strumming chords stage. I really enjoy his playing.

Don't know if you've heard or heard of Stephen Fearing, British Columbia (ie West Coast) folksinger and guitarist. He does a song called Welfare Wednesday Again that is up there with Ralph McTell's Streets of London as an evocation of the down and outs in society. I used to do Ralph McTell's Blind Blake's Rag, also known as the St. Louis Tickle in the dim and distant past. Perhaps now that I'm feeling a little better in myself as they used to say in Britain, I'll try to improve my chops and get back some callluses.

Thanks Jonah, always a gentleman you are.


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bert jansch
by jonah jones / April 2, 2006 8:51 PM PDT

sadly only one album of his has survived...

"moonshine" early 70s, remarkable for 2 songs, "the january man" and McColls "the first time ever i saw your face"

jonah "this stereo record can be played on mono reproducers provided either a compatible or stereo cartridge is fitted" jones


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Funny you should mention that stereo cartridge thing
by Ziks511 / April 3, 2006 8:02 AM PDT
In reply to: bert jansch

I bought a whole bunch of brand new Impulse jazz albums at the time of the demise of mono recordings over on this side of the pond. Really great stuff, Coltrane, Mingus, Basie, McCoy Tyner , dozens of them all of which said Mono on the covers and seriously cheap. Guess what? Every last one of them was a stereo record, so I got this great Impulse collection for about 10% of the proper cost. I was very happy.


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You think Che Guevara is a good role model for today's youth
by EdH / April 2, 2006 9:19 PM PDT

Did you get him a Hermann Goering t-shirt also?

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The comparison is nonsense

There is absolutely nothing that Che Guevara and Hoering have in common ideology wise! Actually your (because I didn't vote for him) president has more in common with that pack than Che has!

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Not talking ideology; talking what they did...
by EdH / April 2, 2006 9:42 PM PDT

Maybe do a little research. Che was far from an angel.
But I am glad, so glad that you are NOT on "my side".

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bush may be "HIS" president by vote
by jonah jones / April 3, 2006 12:22 AM PDT

but he's "YOUR" president too, and comparing him to the "father of the final solution" is wayyyyyyyyyy over the line imo!


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(NT) (NT) But par for the course
by EdH / April 3, 2006 12:50 AM PDT
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There is little evidence that Terry Browne lives in the US,
by Kiddpeat / April 3, 2006 7:28 AM PDT

so President Bush may not be his President. I wonder who is.

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Any evidence that YOU or anybody else in this forum live or don't live in the US?

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Who is Hoering and his pack?
by Kiddpeat / April 3, 2006 6:55 AM PDT

Insults don't work if you can't write correct English.

If figures that you would leap to the defense of Che.


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Ever heard of typos?
by Terry Browne / April 3, 2006 7:24 AM PDT

Now we know who to keep an eye on when he posts. Because you don't want to throw rocks in a glass house, right?

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(NT) (NT) So, who is Hoering and his pack?
by Kiddpeat / April 3, 2006 7:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Ever heard of typos?
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(NT) (NT) Bait ignored!
by Terry Browne / April 3, 2006 7:31 AM PDT
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enlighten me, please
by jonah jones / April 3, 2006 7:25 PM PDT
In reply to: (NT) Bait ignored!

as it was you who first used the term "....Hoering.... your .... president has more in common with that pack than Che has!"

why is it now considered "bait"?

unless of course it was used in your post as.....


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While this may come as a surprise to you, I think of fashion
by Ziks511 / April 3, 2006 8:37 AM PDT

posturing as just that, posturing. It is meaningless as I would have thought the reference to Tie-dyed T-Shirts might have indicated.

Do I think that Che Guevara is a good role model? Well, Robbie doesn't come from the same background as Che, Juan Peron's Argentina, nor is he exposed to the sort of dramatic conflicts between rich and poor, therefore I don't think that Che will act as a role model at all. However Robbie did enjoy the Motorcycle Diaries which are about the formation of the thought processes of the young Che. The critical and analytical abilities Che developed are things I wish to encourage in Robbie, but I already know enough of his character and gentleness to know that revolution is not his impulse. The whole thing is a kind of tongue in cheek recapitulation of my youth, a situation which Robbie understands and can be quite sarcastic about. At the same time, we are very good friends, and he's a very bright kid. I couldn't slip anything over on him. And I couldn't force him to wear a George Bush T-Shirt.

My old man, Robbie's grandfather flew against "Der Dicke" (think Thick not something else, it means "Fatty") so I don't expect Nazi's who are anathema in everybody's eyes except those in the Middle and Near East with whom we also don't agree. He's a bright enough kid to understand all this particularly since I've discussed it at length with him.


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I hear ...
by Evie / April 3, 2006 9:02 AM PDT

... that the young Hitler was a respectable man with noble ideals.

You can't just pick and choose what a historical figure represents when they are responsible for the deaths of so many.


"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"

--Che Guevera

Are these the critical and analytical abilities of Che you're talking about?

Consider that many of those seeing Robbie sporting that shirt are unable to separate the murderer from his romanticized "rebel" image. They will only see Robbie as either supportive of Che's murderous legacy, or ignorant enough to idolize him.

Those shirts are despicable.

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(NT) (NT) Very well said Rob!
by Terry Browne / April 3, 2006 10:29 AM PDT
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Pish-posh of the basest order
by EdH / April 3, 2006 11:59 AM PDT

How sickening. Really!

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And since you bring up the Motorcycle Diaries...
by EdH / April 3, 2006 12:54 PM PDT

The Cult of Che
Don't applaud The Motorcycle Diaries.
By Paul Berman

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system?the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims.

and so on...
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by Terry Browne / April 3, 2006 2:13 PM PDT

Juat accept the fact that there is and will always be people who praise Socialism and the revolution when all other democratic ways of reaching the goal have been tried.
I can find MANY sites that will praise Che and his actions and his writings. I can also find many that will not. Some people prefer Socialism and other people don't. Capitalism has caused a lot of deaths and a lot of terror all over the world and is not innocent. All it takes is some pragmatism.

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What a pantload...
by EdH / April 3, 2006 8:46 PM PDT
In reply to: Evie.
Some people prefer Socialism and other people don't.

20 million killed by Che's hero, Stalin. How many did Mao slaughter? Are they the people who don't "prefer" socialism?
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Che "chic" is disgusting.
by Evie / April 2, 2006 10:16 PM PDT

Celebrating a murderer?

Congrats to Robbie anyway.

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Could be worse
by EdH / April 2, 2006 11:03 PM PDT

Could be that other murderer adored by the Left, Mao.

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is a led zeplin,
by jonah jones / April 2, 2006 11:42 PM PDT

lennon, elton john, queen, boy george, T-shirt any better?


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As far as I know, those people were not murderers.
by EdH / April 2, 2006 11:45 PM PDT
In reply to: is a led zeplin,

though John supposedly killed someone in a fight...

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I would think so
by Evie / April 3, 2006 12:08 AM PDT
In reply to: is a led zeplin,

TTBOMK, they never executed anyone!

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that may be so
by jonah jones / April 3, 2006 12:17 AM PDT
In reply to: I would think so

but it was freddie mqueery who "boasted" that he had sex with over a 1000 young kids who had come to see him perform...

given the choice, i would prefer a che tshirt on my porch any day...


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I don't recall that about Mercury
by Evie / April 3, 2006 12:27 AM PDT
In reply to: that may be so

As flamboyant and wild as he was, I doubt his fans would have tolerated such a boast. You sure you heard that right?

Given the choice, I would prefer neither if it's true about Mercury.

How about the others?

Are you aware of all that Che did? Our youth is being sold a romanticized view of a MURDERER Angry

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