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Republican National Committee Census Form Scam

by Ziks511 / January 28, 2010 11:12 AM PST
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/9918/republican-national-committee-sends-out-fake-census-letter-to-raise-money

The RNC has sent out fake Census Forms asking slanted questions and using an official looking format with things like OFFICIAL DOCUMENT DO NOT DESTROY, and ending with a statement soliciting contributions to the RNC.

I don't know anything about burnt orange except that its a political blog, and is probably a better source for people here than MSNBC.

Try and imagine what people would be saying if this was the Democratic Party. You'd gleefully be all over them beating them about the head and neck.

Rob
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Original Politico.com article
by Ziks511 / January 28, 2010 11:20 AM PST
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That's better
by Dango517 / January 28, 2010 11:53 AM PST

that original source was a bit shaky. At least both sides are up in arms about this stunt.

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Not much to it...
by EdHannigan / January 28, 2010 11:59 AM PST
In reply to: That's better

It's a standards fundraising letter that's been used for years and it CLEARLY says it's for the Republican Party. Big deal.

It might pose a problem for people who can't read too well.

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By the way, "scam" implies illegal activity.
by EdHannigan / January 28, 2010 12:06 PM PST
In reply to: Not much to it...

Fraud or a swindle. This does not fit the definition.

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And a Census is
by JP Bill / January 28, 2010 12:31 PM PST

An official, usually periodic enumeration of a population, often including the collection of related demographic information.

No mention of "generous contributions" in definition of Census.

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extracting information via
by jonah jones / January 28, 2010 5:21 PM PST

fraudulent means (and asking for money) isn't a "scam" ?

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Fraudulent means?
by EdHannigan / January 28, 2010 8:01 PM PST

It clearly states on the letter that it is the Republican Party.

I get mail all theh time that "looks" like something official. This is nothing unusual. They do it to make you open the thing instead of just discarding it.

If it was fraudulent, charges would have been filed years ago.

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A scam is a deliberately misleading operation purporting to
by Ziks511 / January 28, 2010 6:34 PM PST

be one thing while actually being about another, i.e. collecting donations to the Republican National Committee.

Since your antennae are so finely tuned to any hint of chicanery I thought you'd be all over this. Just as you were so quick to point out that most of the footage shot in Acorn offices was unusable because the offices offered no cooperation and in Philadelphia called the police on the scam artists.

Rob

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unrelated
by James Denison / January 28, 2010 6:58 PM PST

Big difference between a cute advertising campaign and outright illegal activity like ACORN was engaging in.

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Perhaps, but dictionaries can be pesky beasts ...
by Bill Osler / January 28, 2010 7:30 PM PST

This is the definition I found, though it probably is not the only viable definition:
A scam is an illegal trick, usually with the purpose of getting money from people or avoiding paying tax

I admit I sometimes use the word 'scam' in contexts where the 'trick' part is critical but the 'illegal' part is uncertain. Still, if you are going to insist on dictionary definitions then perhaps you should be more careful with your language.

And BTW: I don't think you ever cited any sources for your claim that the majority of ACORN offices did not buy in to the couple posing as people illegally looking for financial assistance. I have not seen any reports that your description is accurate.

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Apparantly you don't need to be that smart to
by Steven Haninger / January 28, 2010 6:11 PM PST
In reply to: Not much to it...

be a poll taker either. It was reported on the news the other evening that you just need to pass a 28 question test. A passing grade is 10 out of 28 correct answers. You may retake the test once per day until you pass.

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It is worth noting
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / January 28, 2010 6:49 PM PST

that in your 2nd link from politico.com, the first paragraph says;

"Officials of both parties are sharply criticizing a fundraising mailing from Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele they say could be confused with official correspondence regarding this year?s census."

So, criticism from both sides.

Mark

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The BBB
by James Denison / January 28, 2010 5:34 PM PST

Are you sure RNC is behind the one you mention? Here's one supposedly from the BBB.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/jan/25/bbb-warns-of-census-e-mail-scam/

"An e-mail posing as a scam alert from the Better Business Bureau has been spreading false information about the 2010 census.

?They should discount it,? Glenna Friedrich, president of the San Angelo BBB, said about people who received the e-mail. ?Don?t pay any attention to it.?

The BBB posted a warning about the e-mail on its Web site, along with some facts about the census, such as that the 10 questions on the form should take about 10 minutes to fill out.

Friedrich advised people to go to the census Web site, www.census2010.gov, for any questions...Stewart said the e-mail, if put out with bad intentions, might be part of a ?fringe political? movement that believes the census process violates rights to privacy."

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