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Repeater, Bridge, AP ..?

by Lji1221 / August 18, 2015 8:58 AM PDT

I have DSL service and a wireless router in my office. Coverage across entire house is good. I have an out building, metal, that is about 300ft + away, and I cannot get wifi signal inside. I've heard about a Securifi Almond repeater, and a NetGear powerline adaptor, but need help in narrowing best options, at reasonable cost.

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Powerline usually wins.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 18, 2015 9:11 AM PDT

But there is one caveat is that the side of the AC use must be the same for both modules. This is explained widely so I'll stop here.

As to Almond these are hit and miss. You usually don't know till you try it out. They should sell you on this. That is, there are usually many models so my feedback is you want a 600+ Foot link to go 300 feet due to issues with interfering signals and more.

Then we have that problem of "best." That might include cost. The powerline sets are pretty reasonable IMO. http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Powerline-N300-Starter-XWNB5201/dp/B009WG6K66 is 75 bucks and puts a hotspot out there.

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Extender, but...
by Lji1221 / August 19, 2015 9:18 AM PDT

After thinking about the Powerline option I suspected this would be best IF there was no Wifi in the far corners of my house. This is not the case. I picked up a NetGear range extender (N300), and was able to extend my existing WiFi into the metal out building. Well sort of.

Signal strength at inside corner, closest to extender was pretty good, even into the middle of the building, but at the far corners it dropped out.

Do I get something more powerful, or I add an antenna receiver?

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Or put a WiFi client outside and run ethernet into the metal
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 19, 2015 9:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Extender, but...

A metal building would not be considered to put the receiver inside. The receiver will have to be outside due to the Faraday effect. Once in a while you run into folk that want to ignore Faraday and you have to decide to teach or walk.

There are many cheap WiFi clients. I have a pair of TP Link wr702n's that were 20 bucks that I use to test out such links.

That's the rub. Such links are rarely bought. You test to see if the system works. And yes, long ago we would analyze such links but then we used million buck RF survey trucks and crews. That's not a good deal for small links like this.
Note: edited to add a missing word.

Post was last edited on August 19, 2015 12:02 PM PDT

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Extender, but...
by Lji1221 / August 19, 2015 11:59 AM PDT

Thanks so much for the prompt response. Sorry I wasn't clearer, I was thinking of mounting an external antenna.

Something like:
http://www.amazon.com/Docooler%C2%AE-Outdoor-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B00DJ23D3W/ref=sr_1_15?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1440009979&sr=1-15&keywords=wifi+antenna

My metal building has a large overhang. Even though the antenna might not be designed for direct element exposure, under the overhang it's not likely to get wet.

I though then I could string the cable into the building, attach to a simple router and have wireless inside the entire structure.

What do you think ?

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I find that 2.4GHz antenna and cable work to be
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 19, 2015 12:07 PM PDT
In reply to: Extender, but...

Challenging at times. That's why I put the client with it's antenna under the overhang and run the ethernet and power to that. Your choice here so try your solution.

However if you run this to a simpler router not all act as a client, fewer still can have an external and internal antenna.

Now to the device you linked to. It is for use with a PC not a router. HOWEVER if one was a little adventurous then you could run that to the PC then add a second WiFi to the PC and tinker with Virtual Router.

Me? I'd repeat my prior solutions of client on the outside then Ethernet to a router inside configured as a WAP. Google "How to use a router as a WAP."

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I'll give the client a try..
by Lji1221 / August 19, 2015 1:21 PM PDT

All I have lying around is a Cisco/Linksys E1200. Best I can tell
this router cannot be configured as a client, bridge, nor AP.

I also have an oldie, Linksys BEFW11S4, but suspect this isn't
WAP capable either.

Any suggestions for a reasonable client ?

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Took a quick look at the E1200
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 19, 2015 3:51 PM PDT

And it can be a WAP. The steps look no different to me than any other router.

I did not find it able to be a client.

The BEFW11S4 looks like a DSL + router box from 2006. This is so out of date that I'd ebay it and remove it from the collection.

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Simplest
by theNetnest / August 19, 2015 4:44 PM PDT

CAT5 to the shed and a wi-fi end point in AP mode for your wireless stuff in the shed.

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300 feet is well inside CAT5 distance.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 19, 2015 5:14 PM PDT
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Buired might be an option
by Lji1221 / August 20, 2015 6:52 AM PDT

Now that I've added an extender to the far corner of the house, which has a cat5 port, I could potentially get a wire through the wall near the barn.

At ~$100 for 300ft of cable it looks like a sure solution, but before digging up the place, I might give the client a try.

If I could get a reasonably priced client that could pick-up the extender signal, then I could
drop a short cat5 into the barn and use the E1200 as an AP.

Again, I can place the client under the overhang of the barn and keep it out of direct elements. Of course the overhand is made of metal as well, but it's open on 3 sides.

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Here, clients start at 20 bucks.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 20, 2015 7:04 AM PDT

Look up the TP Link wr702n (from memory but just looked it up on Amazon last week and 20 bucks. 300 feet is at the edge of wifi so you know to pull back to 802.11g, etc on the transmission side.

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Late Post CAT 5
by theNetnest / August 25, 2015 10:14 AM PDT

Officially CAT 5 100BT lists by timing reasons 1000' range. I've seen it pushed farther if its an independent net address between the two nodes.

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Up and running !
by Lji1221 / August 28, 2015 7:30 AM PDT
In reply to: Late Post CAT 5

Well it looks like I've got it up and running. using a Netgear extender is corner of the house closest to the barn. Mounted a cheap client, the TP Link WR702N at the doorway to the barn, then dropped a CAT5 into the barn and connected it to the Linksys E1200 configured as an AP. Not pretty, but it's working.

For whatever reason configuring the E1200 as an AP wasn't trivial. The interface said to select BRIDGE as the mode of operation, then save settings. (wait 80 seconds). It never came back, and as such had no idea what IP address it had obtained. When I connected to it from a laptop, the connection saw it was an AP and fortunately prompted me through a setup. Problem is the security key is 12 characters long and I can't get back into the thing to change it !

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Good to read.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 28, 2015 7:46 AM PDT
In reply to: Up and running !

While it was a trial, the 702n here was cheap enough that folk seem to take the gamble.

That was the right move as WiFi through clear air gets you the most range.

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Apprecaite all the inputs.
by Lji1221 / August 28, 2015 9:04 AM PDT
In reply to: Good to read.

Learned a few things along the way as well.

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Client / AP not broadcasting to multiple sources
by Lji1221 / January 12, 2016 11:51 AM PST

As per the above thread I've installed and Extender that I broadcasting to a client mounted on the outside of a metal out building. There is then a CAT5 wire from the client to a Linksys E1200 configured as an AP.

The AP is setup for WPA2 security, although I've tried multiple variants but ONLY
a single laptop inside the building can connect to the AP.
a Smart TV, smartphones (iPhones) cannot access the AP. I even tried shutting down the laptop, to see if I could connect at least 1 other item. No go.

I've tried changing the AP settings over and over again, but nothing seems to work. Is the client an issue, or am I missing something with the setup ?

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